Senator Rubio Discusses Immigration with Laura Ingraham - Page 2

I disagree. I think it's going to be something along the lines of the DA in terms of age. Dude, why the hell would they pick 12? why would they pick 7?

I am not even worried about age. I am sure the DREAM Activists that are speaking on our behalf are raising the issue of age.

I have to disagree, firstly as for Rubio's consultation with the fellow dreamers, that was supposedly a one-off meeting, so it doesn't seem as if he's in active consultation with them, and as for some dreamers who were in the meeting with him, many such as representatives from C4D state he hasn't even been back in contact. So I wouldn't count on agents with their own interets and goals and no true meaningful link to Rubio to heavily advocate for us.

Secondly, if you look at the dream act's progression through the decades, the age limit keeps dropping, even the 2010 version reduced the age by a few years, I do not expect this attempt by a tea party republican to be any different. The discourse of the dream act becomes ever more stricter and limited.

Thirdly, reducing the age limit makes political sense. The lower it goes, the more republicans would be supportive with or without chain migration provisions(which rubio's version does not bar at all in any sense), and which gives him an even greater imperative to be more strict regarding other provisions.)

This article, although from 2010, captures the main gist of my argument.

And I never said it would be 7 and under, or even really 12. Just that it would be lower then the dream act's "16 and under". And according to tea party republican logic, the most favored dreamers are those who cam e at very young ages. They're not exactly loving of those who came here 14+ with knowledge of their homeland and life outside the states(not that I think it's a bad thing.)


Additionally, Rubio's own spokesperson said they're still trying to find the correct "qualifying age", if he was truly sticking to tradition, why not just make it a 16 and under bill from the start. This is a compromise bill, this will not exactly be the dream act 2.0, therefore I would expect a lower age limit.

I maintain though that even with a lowered age position, this bill should still be supported, because there would still be hundreds of thousands of souls that could prosper from it. Dreamers should not hold dreamers back.

http://newamericamedia.org/2010/12/t...ds-reality.php

It looks like there maybe no maximum cut off age. Retroactive Provisions is looking pretty to me.

[quote=DA User;254853]It looks like there maybe no maximum cut off age. Retroactive Provisions is looking pretty to me.


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I disagree with you! Do you remember Harry Reid's first reaction to Rubio eliminating the path to citizenship and instate tuition?

http://www.tampabay.com/blogs/the-bu...t-unacceptable
If this is truly a compromise bill, then what are the dems getting? Remember that ultimately Reid and Durbin have to sign off on anything that comes up for a vote in the senate. Dems are reluctantly considering supporting this bill and if Rubio tries to restrict it any further by making the entry age and maximum age lower than the original dream act, I'm sure democrats will oppose it. The two dream act lite bills introduced in the house by a republican didn't change the entry age. To be honest i haven't heard any prominent republican object to the entry age through all the years of debate. Regardless, this bill can always be amended if it even reaches the senate floor.


Make it too strict and I'll doubt he'll have a lot of democratic support. If this bill passes the house, it will be because of the number of democratic votes it gets. We all know a lot of the house republicans are going to vote against it.

If any of you knows anybody or has any power, we really have to let them know that it's cruel to leave any Dreamer behind. There is a good case to be made to put an age limit on when someone came here - an 18 year old for instance could have crossed over alone and made the decision. 17 year old...I think that's a young adult. 16 year old? that's more sell-able though some might object. Personally I think the cutoff will be 16, but who knows. I think when giving examples, the younger examples bring more sympathy from the average person.

As far as a dreamer's age now, I don't think there should be any limit because it doesn't change the fact that they were brought here as a child and any limit they put would have to be retroactive.

Make it too strict and I'll doubt he'll have a lot of democratic support. If this bill passes the house, it will be because of the number of democratic votes it gets. We all know a lot of the house republicans are going to vote against it.[/quote]

I disagree with you, Rubio and many other republicans do object to the broad age range of the dream act. Here is this for a reference, words uttered by Senator Rubio himself according to Daniela Peleaz when she met him in March.


Daniela Pelaez, the North Miami Senior High valedictorian whose possible deportation caught national attention, met with Rubio in Washington, D.C. last month and told Univision News that the senator was also concerned that the age groups covered by the original DREAM Act were too broad.
“Those were the biggest concerns for him,” she said.

Immigration-reform advocates said they were skeptical that the election-year effort would offer a substantive solution.
“Will the Republican-led DREAM Act in an election year right the wrongs of Republican anti-immigrant legislation like Arizona and Alabama’s laws? We’re skeptical,” said Ali Noorani, Executive Director of the National Immigration Forum."

http://univisionnews.tumblr.com/post...tive-dream-act


With the man even saying these words, anti-illegal immigration organizations like FAIR also wanting a lower age limit, and Rubio primarily just using this bill as a political ploy so that he can showcase democratic failure on the issue, as well as to advance his own party, mark my words, I feel very strongly that there will be a lowered age limit.

I've got a strong feeling that age is going to be 12. But I really hope its 15 or 16. It makes sense. Lets not forget that Durbin and Co. will have a chance to offer amendments!!

I disagree with you, Rubio and many other republicans do object to the broad age range of the dream act. Here is this for a reference, words uttered by Senator Rubio himself according to Daniela Peleaz when she met him in March.


Daniela Pelaez, the North Miami Senior High valedictorian whose possible deportation caught national attention, met with Rubio in Washington, D.C. last month and told Univision News that the senator was also concerned that the age groups covered by the original DREAM Act were too broad.
“Those were the biggest concerns for him,” she said.

Immigration-reform advocates said they were skeptical that the election-year effort would offer a substantive solution.
“Will the Republican-led DREAM Act in an election year right the wrongs of Republican anti-immigrant legislation like Arizona and Alabama’s laws? We’re skeptical,” said Ali Noorani, Executive Director of the National Immigration Forum."

http://univisionnews.tumblr.com/post...tive-dream-act


With the man even saying these words, anti-illegal immigration organizations like FAIR also wanting a lower age limit, and Rubio primarily just using this bill as a political ploy so that he can showcase democratic failure on the issue, as well as to advance his own party, mark my words, I feel very strongly that there will be a lowered age limit.[/quote]

I disagree with you, Rubio and many other republicans do object to the broad age range of the dream act. Here is this for a reference, words uttered by Senator Rubio himself according to Daniela Peleaz when she met him in March.


Daniela Pelaez, the North Miami Senior High valedictorian whose possible deportation caught national attention, met with Rubio in Washington, D.C. last month and told Univision News that the senator was also concerned that the age groups covered by the original DREAM Act were too broad.
“Those were the biggest concerns for him,” she said.

Immigration-reform advocates said they were skeptical that the election-year effort would offer a substantive solution.
“Will the Republican-led DREAM Act in an election year right the wrongs of Republican anti-immigrant legislation like Arizona and Alabama’s laws? We’re skeptical,” said Ali Noorani, Executive Director of the National Immigration Forum."

http://univisionnews.tumblr.com/post...tive-dream-act


With the man even saying these words, anti-illegal immigration organizations like FAIR also wanting a lower age limit, and Rubio primarily just using this bill as a political ploy so that he can showcase democratic failure on the issue, as well as to advance his own party, mark my words, I feel very strongly that there will be a lowered age limit.[/quote]

Well he has to deal with Reid eventually. This is what Reid's spokesman had to say.

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Exactly, unless a compromise is made it's going to be literally a showdown between two sides who both pride their own dream acts and refuse to embrace the other side's, leading to a failure and more years of waiting for everyone,if another serious attempt is even made in the future. Personally, I would like a broad age range, but if not, I would personally support ANYTHING(give the arms act even) that legalizes a substantial number of dreamers, republicans don't seem as if they'll endorse anything that looks remotely close to the dream act. Hence why Rubio is reworking the act to his own vision of what it would look like as those comments above showcase. I hope Reid and Durbin and the bunch feel the same way in terms of action and getting something done.