The Obama Administration's Missteps in Issuing and Defending the DAPA/DACA Programs - - Page 4

Originally Posted by OptimistinDenial

Even though my spamming could argue the opposite, I really hate to post and would rather read than write. So, I'm gonna make sure this is the last comment at least in a week.

I'm not going to defend the Obama Administration because he could have implemented the Executive Actions at least two years ago and this would be resolve by now, more or less. Instead he waited for the last minute knowing how strongly Republicans hate the sinner but love the sin.

A public hearing on this would have solve this specific quagmire we are facing at the moment. I do not believe it would actually prevented this situation. Do you really think it would have stop Texas from filling a lawsuit with a judge that was going to side on their favor no matter how flimsy the lawsuit was? Neither was it going to stop the judge from citing the Guess What? Act of 1812 and the Suck On This precedent from 1902 to make President Obama's actions look un-lawful. We cannot safe proof anything. Nothing in this great world of us is sure proof. Maybe it was a huge mistake or maybe this was the best possible scenario. At this point, this is all speculation. We all can agree on what went wrong but forecasting is way more complicated than that.
The thing is, I went to a couple of forums with actual immigration lawyers, some from Davis University in California and they laugh at me because I asked what the Congress or the states could do to prevent the implementation. The can't do anything reassuring all the sweaty laborers around me. Well, here we are because everyone was too cocky from the president to the grassroots organizations to really measure an enemy that is unreasonable and will use anything on its arsenal to win. That to me was the greatest hindsight of all.

Although I despise forecasting and by no means I am an expert on the issue, I will say a couple of things. There are logical fallacies but also mental fallacies when applying critical thinking. Being overly pessimistic is as bad as being overly optimistic because it prevents from adequate forecasting. Yet, for many people being too critical is a sign of actual knowledge as oppose to being too easy to please, consider all the talent shows out there. We regard the harshest critics as more reliable than the nicest ones. So, if you want to look smart just be a dick more or less.

I will heard the oral arguments and re-read the written response the Justice Dep. send to the 5th Circuit to make a better forecasting. Meanwhile, I do think we are going to get a favorable result next week. Judge Hanen ranted, mostly because he is crazy but he chose to rant right after the 5th Circuit sided with the government on DACA. It was a circus but also, maybe, an attempt to discredit the Justice Department and covertly bully the 5th Circuit judges to go his way. After all, if they side with us, they are either idiots who let themselves fool easily or malicious co-conspirators trying to undermine the rule of law. He is siding with factions that go beyond conservative and turn extremists. Back in the day, I used to thank journalist that made positive articles about dreamers. One of them from a rather large city actually wrote me back thanking me. She told me she received death threats for her article. Although they were not taken seriously, they were still upsetting. It is not that the majority of Americans are against CIR but that the ones who are against are very vocal and sometimes even violent.

I also take offense the believe that the judges are bipartisan because they are like everyone. Granted, they have their own issues to deal with but if this was case, then all this intellectual masturbation will make no sense. The case is already lost because the judges will rule according to bipartisan lines. I know is a rather innocent argument but I believe that judges, with rare exceptions, are rational beings basing their decisions on logic and not emotion. In other words, there is no guarantee that the Obama appointee will judge in our favor or that the W. Bush appointed will judge against. It is very likely but not 100% certain.

I think that given the situation, the 5th Circuit HAD to drill the Justice Department lawyers. They need to show that they are not prone to foolishness and that they are going beyond scrutiny to make the right decision. They could just do nothing and avoid all this drill but they choose to actually hear the arguments and that is an actual indicative that Texas does not have all the marbles on its pocket neither.

What I actually heard was the Justice Department standing its ground and the Texas lawyer admitting some lacking in some form or another. Based on reason, I think the 5th Circuit will side with us. Still, I do take into account human error. First, my own prejudicial preferences to cloud my judgment and second, the ones of the judges which are still possible. That's why nothing is certain and as humans a reality we must deal with to move forward.

Originally Posted by DACA-IR-DA

Which President is the best option for DACA/CIR/DA?

Bush or Clinton?

Bush is a supporter of CIR. So was George.