White House Says Immigration Reform Unlikely in ’09 - Page 6

I'm not here to instigate. It is true that the majority of legal Americans oppose amnesty, though... and you would have to look at it from a perspective other than your own to understand why.

And it is certainly true that illegals affect unemployment. Every illegal alien that has a job in the USA has taken a potential job away that a legal citizen could have filled. There isn't a way around that fact, and it is due to illegal aliens' willingness to work for pennies on the dollar.

Oh my god, you have no idea how our public higher education system works. Public schools do not make money from students. The entire reason the tuitions for public state schools are so affordable is because state schools are state-funded through endowments,donations, and always both state and federal taxes. Only a small percentage of the funding is derived from tuition from students.

Illegal students paying tuitions to public schools would not be a "windfall." It would simply cost more money to the school and to legit taxpayers, if more students wanted to go. There's not really a compelling reason, in their eyes, to make more room in these state schools, which are crowded enough as it is with students whose parents paid taxes their whole lives.

Would you mind backing that up with facts?

are you or any of your family members willing to work in the fields or as a janitor?

And we roll back to the idea that good portion of illegal immigrants pay taxes even though they'll never get to see some of the benefits of doing so. And the whole of point of a CIR is to put people on a path to citizenship and pay their dues, one of them being taxes so that cancels you're idea of hurting the so called legit tax payers.

First, to clarify, you are not referring to permanent residents. You are referring to those who have applied in their home country. At the risk of being too picky with terminology, those to which you refer are not yet "immigrants."

Look, I understand the frustration. But understand that there are those of us here who have also applied through proper legal channels. Therefore, don't assume that the DREAM Act benefits only those who have somehow circumvented the immigration system.

Moreover, as was stated earlier, living in the U.S. as an undocumented student is in no way a walk in the park by any stretch of the imagination. While the DREAM Act does benefit us, we live with a great burden that others don't have to deal with, including those who applied from outside the U.S. The DREAM Act simply recognizes a huge problem that needs to be remedied.

Nope, State colleges do make money from students. Its true that grants help a lot. CUNY has repeatedly raised tuition on its students and cut other costs on campus in order to raise money for its other financial downfalls.

You want the best minds working in the correct fields, why limit competition for the seats in colleges? Yes you will say "What about legal citizens, blah blah blah". Nothing is stopping them either. Some students have been here, through no fault of there at a very young age. Some as young as 3, they grew up here and now your reasoning is that we should send them back. Right, nicely done sir.

No one is arguing with illegal immigration is okay, the point is you have to find a meaningful solution to the problem. And no matter how many times you say it, deporting everyone back is not the solution, no matter how anti immigration you are, that cannot possible work in anyway. So now you have to fix a system that has long been broken and there is NO way for educated immigrants to have there own way to become legal. That is the biggest point, let the ones who want a legal path to citizenship have one, while at the same time not having them be driven out of the life they knew there whole life.

Are you going to tell me, someone who has been here since the age of 3 or 10 or 12, grew up here, can barely speak his native language, should be forced to go back to a country he has no connection with?

There are hardly an illegal immigrants in the state that I live in now, and jobs such as that are still filled with non-immigrants.

Legal immigrants who want to be on that path to citizenship and pay their dues have to wait outside the country before doing so. What makes your status higher than theirs, as to warrant you being able to stay here during that path while they have to wait outside? That's bizarro world. They are the legal ones.

I don't think he/she is going to respond to your request.

That is ridiculous. On an individual basis, a tuition paying student attending a state university costs the school money. It is not a profitable venture, or else we would have unlimited room in these state universities because the income would be almost unlimited for as long as people want to go. Well, that's not the case. Room in state universities is in high demand, and there is very limited space.

I haven't said that children of illegals should go back home. I'm for finding a solution for them that involves staying here too. But automatic citizenship through going to college is not the right way to do it. It's not fair to so many others who deserve it more. I am not for divying up seats for state colleges purely on the basis of who performs best academically either. There are plenty of great students who deserve it more and if they get one less "A" than an illegal kid, then big woop. They're citizens, they come first. I think you should know, however, that illegal high school students get significantly worse grades and have higher dropout rates than do legal students. Food for thought.

Enough legal immigrants do it when they come here. My dad was born in Germany. He came here with his parents, his brother, and his sister when he was 9. They were all legal, and they flew here alone and learned the language. Difficult as it may be, you *do* have a choice when you turn 18 and become aware that you are illegally staying here when you know it is not your country. The choices suck either way you go, but you had the choice all the same. You chose the illegal way. You are not somehow owed citizenship and school for doing that. Sorry.