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Questions about the DREAM ACT

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#1
09-26-2009, 06:05 AM
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Dear Sir or Madam,

I am an American citizen and have a question concerning the DREAM ACT that I hoped someone could answer. I am opened minded and considering supporting the DREAM ACT but have a few concerns I take very seriously.

As you know, all US male citizens are required to register with the selective service within a certain number of days after turning 18 years old. Are undocumented aliens currently required to register with the selective service and if the DREAM ACT is passed would the individuals affected by the DREAM ACT be required to register with the the selective service? If a situation would develop that threatens national security and a daft is instituted, what prevents these individuals from using their foreign citizenship to avoid the draft? I realize many foreign citizens now and historically have served in the US Armed Forces and honor them for their service but I see a huge dilemma as I do not believe the United States government under any treaty regulations has the authority to involuntarily press foreign citizens into military service. Would the only males left on college campuses be undocumented aliens? How does the DREAM ACT deal with this situation. As an individual eligible for the draft and bearing the burden of citizenship along with the benefits, this directly affects me. Thank you to anyone who can clarify this point of the proposed law.

Thank you,
Kyle Fisher
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09-26-2009, 07:12 AM
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Yes undocumented males are still required to sign up for the selective service.

This is a direct quote from their website
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ATTENTION, UNDOCUMENTED MALES
& IMMIGRANT SERVICING GROUPS!


If you are a man ages 18 through 25 and living in the U.S., then you must register with Selective Service. It’s the law. You can register at any U.S. Post Office and do not need a social security number. When you do obtain a social security number, let Selective Service know. Provide a copy of your new social security number card; being sure to include your complete name, date of birth, Selective Service registration number, and current mailing address; and mail to the Selective Service System, P.O. Box 94636, Palatine, IL 60094-4636.

Be sure to register before your 26th birthday. After that, it’s too late!

Selective Service does not collect any information which would indicate whether or not you are undocumented. You want to protect yourself for future U.S. citizenship and other government benefits and programs by registering with Selective Service. Do it today.
source sss.gov
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09-27-2009, 03:33 PM
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what is the benefit for us to register?
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09-27-2009, 04:05 PM
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Not registering could bar you from becoming a US citizen forever! Seriously, register guys. I already did.

Also, another thing that bothers me... is that there are many people who don't understand something very important. For example, if DREAM were to pass, all of us would become permanent residents. As such, we are not exempt from responsibilities as other residents, for example--signing up for selective service. Also, as LEGAL perm residents, are not we entitled to stuff perm residents can do? Why should we still be considered as non immigrants when the law would make us legal?
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09-27-2009, 05:10 PM
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yup, lets all register (including all of u conscientious objectors out there) hell, i would only look forward to getting drafted if we are fighting locust hordes like in gears of war ("TAKE COVER!!!") lolz
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09-27-2009, 06:39 PM
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Not registering could bar you from becoming a US citizen forever! Seriously, register guys. I already did.

Also, another thing that bothers me... is that there are many people who don't understand something very important. For example, if DREAM were to pass, all of us would become permanent residents. As such, we are not exempt from responsibilities as other residents, for example--signing up for selective service. Also, as LEGAL perm residents, are not we entitled to stuff perm residents can do? Why should we still be considered as non immigrants when the law would make us legal?
its all catch 22, there are people out there that say they would not mind if we came here legally but then are against us becoming legal residents through the legal means that the DA or CIR would provide. I mean their arguments do not even make sense, how would the DA be rewarding illegal behavior if we have been here from an age where not only would we not be able to make any legal decisions but have grown and been raised in the US. Its frustrating.

Either way, on the selective service (SSS), my parents talked to a lawyer about how it would affect me if I applied, his response, and this was over his radio program in a popular spanish radio station in Miami, was that I do not have to apply, that applying to the SSS would not affect me in any way and that they could not draft me either way. He also mentioned that the application only plays a part during citizenship procedures, but that it would not affect me if I did not apply, or even affect the DA application if it came to pass.

Great, thanks to that dumbass my parents do not want me to apply to the SSS and I will have to apply behind their backs. I mean every other place except for that one lawyer says otherwise.

In any case for those worrying about a draft, there has not been one in a very long time and apparently due to our lack of status it would be unlikely that we would be considered for the draft if there were to be one in the near future.

A permanent resident in the military has limited access to what they may be able to do at this moment, a person with no status would have even less.

btw, fish, as you may realize there are many of us in these forums that would like to be part of the military, myself included. I completed 4 years of JROTC in high school and graduated with one of the top positions the program had to offer (I even got a scholarship from them that is only offered to two people in every JROTC program in the county {no worries, it was created by a private individual, not federally backed}), I liked it and I felt the structure that was involved actually helped me tremendously in class, it felt just great to be in the role of leadership and have many people work for something
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09-27-2009, 07:05 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by DeseoUnPoco View Post
Yes undocumented males are still required to sign up for the selective service.

This is a direct quote from their website


source sss.gov
What if we don't have a SS # ?
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09-27-2009, 07:22 PM
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What if we don't have a SS # ?
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Originally Posted by DeseoUnPoco
You can register at any U.S. Post Office and do not need a social security number.
Read the entire post please... The answer was written in the same exact quote that you quoted...
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09-27-2009, 07:36 PM
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Read the entire post please... The answer was written in the same exact quote that you quoted...
FYI, I was actually trying to apply online and it specifically ASKED for a #
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09-27-2009, 08:10 PM
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FYI, I was actually trying to apply online and it specifically ASKED for a #
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Notice the word "and"? It has a very significant role in that sentence. You can register at any U.S. Post Office AND do not need a SSN. Take a step outside your door and register at your local post office. Trust me. You won't need a SSN. Problem solved.

And "FYI", I don't care if you were registering online. You didn't bother to even mention that in your first post, and the answer to your question was still available in DeseoUnPoco's post. Unless you insist on registering online... then don't count on anything.
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