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One of three on hunger strike for DREAM Act hospitalized - Page 2

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06-28-2010, 11:22 PM
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Is it really that? She's on hunger strike of her own free will

I could pinpoint with 100% accuracy the stupidity in this statement. Notice I said the statement is stupid not you. Then again, stupid is, stupid does so.....

While she is on a hunger strike of her own free will, it's the circumstances as to why she's doing it that matter here. She isn't a lunatic doing this to save a whale, or the rain forest or some other hippie cause. She is doing this for people like you and I. Would you do what this girl has done? NO.
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06-28-2010, 11:51 PM
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This makes me feel ashamed of myself, not doing as much as these brave souls. But I too would much rather die than to give up my dream.
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06-29-2010, 11:14 AM
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This makes me feel ashamed of myself, not doing as much as these brave souls. But I too would much rather die than to give up my dream.
I second that.. and why? I live in Raleigh. I'm 10-15minutes away from where they are
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06-29-2010, 02:54 PM
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I could pinpoint with 100% accuracy the stupidity in this statement. Notice I said the statement is stupid not you. Then again, stupid is, stupid does so.....

While she is on a hunger strike of her own free will, it's the circumstances as to why she's doing it that matter here. She isn't a lunatic doing this to save a whale, or the rain forest or some other hippie cause. She is doing this for people like you and I. Would you do what this girl has done? NO.
They did not do a hunger strike effectively. If you look at history, hunger strikes need to grab the media's attention. It is doing a bad job. I have yet to hear it at any news program on TV or on the internet. It's news to us because of what they're trying to do. They're hurting themselves and not getting much attention.

They're trying to direct the hunger strike mostly to congress, which is not the way it's supposed to be done.

Also, when half of America is ignorant towards illegal immigration, this isn't going to help.
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06-30-2010, 08:17 PM
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They did not do a hunger strike effectively. If you look at history, hunger strikes need to grab the media's attention. It is doing a bad job. I have yet to hear it at any news program on TV or on the internet. It's news to us because of what they're trying to do. They're hurting themselves and not getting much attention.

They're trying to direct the hunger strike mostly to congress, which is not the way it's supposed to be done.

Also, when half of America is ignorant towards illegal immigration, this isn't going to help.
i kind of agree here...i've only seen this ring in univision
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07-01-2010, 01:54 PM
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I really don't understand your position, are you not a 'dreamer'? What are we fighting for? Are we not here at our own free will? Does it mean we should be left to our luck? Before I could go on, I'd like to know what you mean, because I really don't understand what you're trying to say.
I don't think he is saying that.

However, blaming others when someone goes on hunger strike and then gets hurt by doing so is illogical. If you don't want to suffer irreversible organ damage, do not go on hunger strike. If you do choose to do so: see ya's.

I am definitely for DREAM and most forms of civil disobedience/protest. However, I do draw the line when the protest turns into hurting yourself or convincing others to hurt themselves along with you, as this girl has surely done.
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Sounds like a lot of you have such a darn good life that you draw the line way back; either that, or you're comfortable where you are now, that you might just not care if the Dream Act passes now or in a few years. Way to be so critical of a fellow dreamer who's fighting for your dream as well.

And she's not blaming anyone. Anyone whose demands have not been met and enters into civil disobedience or a hunger strike should not be left to die, because it is the politicians' job to have those demands attended.

Having a hard time distinguishing the comments here from the comments from those extremists who say they wished she might as well have continued on with the strike "to its natural course". I guess, logically, that would have been her fault huh.
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Sounds like a lot of you have such a darn good life that you draw the line way back; either that, or you're comfortable where you are now, that you might just not care if the Dream Act passes now or in a few years. Way to be so critical of a fellow dreamer who's fighting for your dream as well.

And she's not blaming anyone. Anyone whose demands have not been met and enters into civil disobedience or a hunger strike should not be left to die, because it is the politicians' job to have those demands attended.

Having a hard time distinguishing the comments here from the comments from those extremists who say they wished she might as well have continued on with the strike "to its natural course". I guess, logically, that would have been her fault huh.
You really need to get of your soapbox.

If you decide to do something as insane as going on a hunger strike with a small group of people, you really need to have a better plan than to just sit in front of someones office and starve. The point of a hunger strike is to incite guilt in the people who get to see you do it to get more supporters. Eventually that group gets big enough that your opinion starts to actually matter to the people upstairs.

You do not ever do it as a way to directly achieve your goal. It never works. With 10 people it is practically laughable and it is virtually pre-written that you are either going to eventually end it or you are going to get sick enough that you will be brought to a hospital.

It would be like me going to Time Square and start whipping myself and have a big sign next to me that says "Pass Dream Act or I will whip myself to death". I would be nothing more than a tourist attraction. People would walk by, look at me for a couple of seconds and then go about their business and they wouldn't even remember what I was supporting.
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You really need to get of your soapbox.

If you decide to do something as insane as going on a hunger strike with a small group of people, you really need to have a better plan than to just sit in front of someones office and starve. The point of a hunger strike is to incite guilt in the people who get to see you do it to get more supporters. Eventually that group gets big enough that your opinion starts to actually matter to the people upstairs.

You do not ever do it as a way to directly achieve your goal. It never works. With 10 people it is practically laughable and it is virtually pre-written that you are either going to eventually end it or you are going to get sick enough that you will be brought to a hospital.

It would be like me going to Time Square and start whipping myself and have a big sign next to me that says "Pass Dream Act or I will whip myself to death". I would be nothing more than a tourist attraction. People would walk by, look at me for a couple of seconds and then go about their business and they wouldn't even remember what I was supporting.
I agree with gedoupa. An action without a plan is a wasted effort.
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07-02-2010, 12:16 PM
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You really need to get of your soapbox.

If you decide to do something as insane as going on a hunger strike with a small group of people, you really need to have a better plan than to just sit in front of someones office and starve. The point of a hunger strike is to incite guilt in the people who get to see you do it to get more supporters. Eventually that group gets big enough that your opinion starts to actually matter to the people upstairs.

You do not ever do it as a way to directly achieve your goal. It never works. With 10 people it is practically laughable and it is virtually pre-written that you are either going to eventually end it or you are going to get sick enough that you will be brought to a hospital.

It would be like me going to Time Square and start whipping myself and have a big sign next to me that says "Pass Dream Act or I will whip myself to death". I would be nothing more than a tourist attraction. People would walk by, look at me for a couple of seconds and then go about their business and they wouldn't even remember what I was supporting.


Hunger strikes have been used throughout the history of the world. From Ghandi to Cesar Chavez. It is one of the most effective non-violent forms of resistance. I'm pretty sure that not one of them thought it was "insane" to stand for what they believed for, to stand for justice. Whereas those important figures saw hunger strike as an effective tool to exert pressure by guilt or otherwise, some of you see as a form of 'whipping' to incite sympathy.

As far as not having a plan. There are a lot of things that could improve. Perhaps they should have spent an equal amount of time and effort making their demands known beyond their state. We already know what the demand is, the problem is reaching out to the people who don't know. But the strike is not to gain support which it already has, it's again to exert pressure to the legislators. I guess that's what you mean by saying that it should not used directly, or as to say without a plan.
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