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12-27-2010, 08:59 PM
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DOugQJhUojo guys i make music for fun, i am too a dreamer, and referred to us in my song in the 1st verse, a lot of my friends liked it and hope this can keep you guys inspired too !
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I am AMUSED at some of the comments of some Dreamers on this thread, no wonder the DA didn't pass. If you think for one second that passing a Border security Bill and/or implementing what the author of this article suggested will guarantee the DA passing, then you know NOTHING ABOUT POLITICS.
I agree with you.

Sadly, adding DA_User to my ignore list didn't solve my problem. I still see his ridiculous comments in the quotes from other users. :/ Just like someone asked earlier, why on Earth was DA_User allowed back in the forum? I am now for a PERMANENT ban. Also, get it through your head DA_User, when the DREAM Act returns, doesn't matter when that is, it will be the latter version of it, not the original. So, stop complaining and accept reality.
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It becomes possible with effort when I'm 30, unemployed, and out of school with no prospects of the DREAM Act passing anytime soon.

Let's have a Greek debate where they take the two extremes to make a point. If a DREAMer is 70 years old, don't you agree that it'd be ridiculous if he or she were still waiting for the DREAM Act to pass? On the other hand, someone in their mid-10's wouldn't seem as silly for hoping that the DREAM Act would pass.
Anyone who came after 16 and/or over the age of 35 with no 2 years of education fall under CIR. CIR was voted on 2006 and then DA came in the picture in 2007.
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I agree with you.

Sadly, adding DA_User to my ignore list didn't solve my problem. I still see his ridiculous comments in the quotes from other users. :/ Just like someone asked earlier, why on Earth was DA_User allowed back in the forum? I am now for a PERMANENT ban. Also, get it through your head DA_User, when the DREAM Act returns, doesn't matter when that is, it will be the latter version of it, not the original. So, stop complaining and accept reality.
There will be another version of the DA.
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I am AMUSED at some of the comments of some Dreamers on this thread, no wonder the DA didn't pass. If you think for one second that passing a Border security Bill and/or implementing what the author of this article suggested will guarantee the DA passing, then you know NOTHING ABOUT POLITICS.
I know how the game works-I know that the other side tends to stick to slogans *no amnesty, illegal means illegal, gtfo of my country* etc etc and no matter how you paint it it wont win those people over. However, if we can get moderates and reasonable people *the majority* to see that no just anyone can qualify for a DREAM-like piece of legislation and motivate these people to consider our struggle next time they go to the voting booth then we can get some DREAM-friendly candidates into congress. Many of us can't donate to political campaigns but we do have family members and friends who can help by donating time and money to candidates friendly to our cause, so in a way we begin a grassroots movement to gain attention to our struggle.

Making some concessions such as lowering the age requirement and adding provisions that exclude those who were not living here 5 years prior to the enactment of any bill and excluding anyone who came here 16 or 18 and over would greatly increase the chances of any bill to pass. I think we've become cynical about the political process enough to the point where we think ALL politicians vote to save their political asses when there are a few who vote for what's right.
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Eddy, have you READ the Bill ????? It has ALWAYS had the " under age 16 " and living here 5 years prior to passage.

This is exactly the problem with making concession after concession - no one reads it anyway, people are going to spread lies regardless, and you are going to end up with something worse than Health Care Reform -- which still has some good points - but primarily ended up as a bill to ensure that insurance companies remain rich and in control. How did that happen ? Because suddenly anything and everything having to do with health care became demonized and lied about. "They" do the same thing with immigration - they make any lie they want and you are left trying to counteract it. Basically they use the " when did you stop beating your wife ?" tactic of propaganda. Further tightening of the DA will not change that.
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Eddy, have you READ the Bill ????? It has ALWAYS had the " under age 16 " and living here 5 years prior to passage.
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The re-introduced versions had the 16 and under at the time of arrival sections but the prior 2001-2007 bills did not if i remember correctly. All I'm saying is we wont get anything passed without concessions-nothing ever gets passed without concessions! Again, the moderates are the ones we have to aim for for they are not as idiotic and stupid as our opponents on the far-right. If we can get the moderates more active in the political process to vote for candidates which favor our agenda the higher chance we'll have to pass anything.
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The re-introduced versions had the 16 and under at the time of arrival sections but the prior 2001-2007 bills did not if i remember correctly. All I'm saying is we wont get anything passed without concessions-nothing ever gets passed without concessions! Again, the moderates are the ones we have to aim for for they are not as idiotic and stupid as our opponents on the far-right. If we can get the moderates more active in the political process to vote for candidates which favor our agenda the higher chance we'll have to pass anything.
All DA versions had 15 and under. If you came here at 16, then you do not qualify.

Original House version had no maximum age limit which means you could be 40 and still apply.

One of the Senate version had the age limit to 30 with Retroactive Benefits.
The one that failed recently in House/Senate had the age limit limit to 30 with revised Retro.
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The re-introduced versions had the 16 and under at the time of arrival sections but the prior 2001-2007 bills did not if i remember correctly. All I'm saying is we wont get anything passed without concessions-nothing ever gets passed without concessions! Again, the moderates are the ones we have to aim for for they are not as idiotic and stupid as our opponents on the far-right. If we can get the moderates more active in the political process to vote for candidates which favor our agenda the higher chance we'll have to pass anything.
Dems couldn't possible compromise more on the DA than they already did during the lame-duck. If they try to add border security and enforcement measures to make it more palatable to Reps then they would fuck themselves over. Assuming there are 12 million undocumented immigrants and only 2 million would benefit from the DA, the other 10 would be left living in a far worse situation than they are now. Imagine if they make e-verify mandatory, increase raids, etc. how would those 10 million keep/find jobs and make a living to sustain their families until CIR passes one day? It would be sacrificing many for the benefit of a few. Either they pass DA as is or CIR altogether. I beginning to feel nauseous for how dirty and senseless many politicians are. CIR is a no brainer really... It shouldn't be that hard to create a system to track over-stays and add more enforcement at the border, then add e-verify and tougher sanctions to violators who hire undocumented, create more ways to enter the US legally and hire more personal for faster processing, put all non-criminal undocumented immigrants on a path to legalization after meeting certain requirements, and then fund all these programs with some fines... What is so controversial about that? Census information just came out and if it wasn't for immigrants the younger population would have decreased! Who would pay into SS to keep it from bankrupt when all the baby boomers start receiving all their promised benefits? USA NEEDS more immigrants. IQ testing should be a requirement to vote.. fuck.
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I completely agree, but i don't see any chance of CIR or a DREAM Act-style bill passing within the next two years...at least not in the GOP-Tea Party controlled House. It's a no brainer that a lot of the anti-immigrant rhetoric is directed solely at hispanics *Mexicans* and is completely racially motivated. Of course if you confront these people for it they say *it's not racism, it's common sense* which is bullshit. The truth is that we haven't had a shot of passing any sort of CIR since 9/11 and we probably wont for a good 2+10 years. Our best chance is for the house to be taken back by the dems and the senate to pass filibuster reform and maintain at least a 51-49 majority.
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