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Does Anybody here blame there stupid parents? - Page 3

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#21
05-18-2011, 01:12 AM
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LIFE IS NOT FAIR FOR ANYONE.
This is one of the most trite expressions used these days, and it is starting to have less and less meaning with every passing day. It has practically become an excuse in itself by the people who actually deserve to be blamed.

If there is something that should have been done, but was not, whether due to incompetence or wishful thinking that things were going to fix themselves, there is always somebody to blame for that.

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Instead of comparing yourself to others get off your ass and start taking control of your life. Anger and depression come from indecision, you talk about other people having a good life, what have you done to do the same? Being undocumented has nothing to do with your problems, it's all a matter of attitude and I can cite people in our situation who have gone to lead successful lives. Put your emotions aside and use reason to develop plans of action to overcome your present problems, establish goals, be productive at all possible times while you are still young.
Wow, get off your high horse for a second and step into the real world. Sure, being undocumented has nothing to do with our problems; better yet, I guess our problems are just a figment of our imaginations, perpetuated by our complaints and excuses.

Never mind the fact that plenty of people on here have completely useless science diplomas hanging on their walls, that can be backed by their skill and eduction. Never mind that these same people, have a negligible chance of ever getting a job in their fields, without documentation. These aren't problems caused by their status but apparently by their lack of will.

As you said, tonight I am finally going to makes those decisions and will myself a driver license so I can go search for my successful high paying job tomorrow, with my freshly willed Green Card.

It is time to be decisive and assertive!
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05-18-2011, 03:15 AM
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There are about half a dozen lost opportunities that my parents had to fix their status, however, they have also worked very hard to ensure I had everything to excel in my education and everything was done with the best intentions in mind. Things where really getting bad out there in Colombia, and over the years I have heard of several cousins who have died while in the Colombian military fighting against a terrorist organization that is far far better funded than the national government. They have talked to family and family friends who at the time were cowering in a corner after hearing gunshots outside, hoping that they were not hit by a stray bullet. They have been helping many families and their children continue their education who really cannot afford a lot of the things I give for granted, and food is a major issue. Family members that are living very miserable lives in very dangerous neighborhoods while I live in relative tranquility. Stories on the news of people getting killed in order to steal a cellphone, or because they looked rich, people getting kidnapped in hopes of getting ransom money.

My personal experience over the very short years of my life that did not hit me how serious they were until I was old enough to realize it. How people stole my dad's bike at gun point while I was on the bike, how on a different occasions they stole his wallet also on my presence, how we passed a bank that was the site of a bombing, how I could not go to the park because it was too dangerous, how I recall finding used bullets in the patio, how now it is known that some of my closest childhood friends I have heard are now involved with drugs and weapons.

What if...
I was still in Colombia?
I had not come to the US?

Would I have reached the same level of education? Would I have been able to intern under world renowned researchers while in their equivalent of high school in nationally recognized labs? Would I have anywhere near the same opportunities, or would I even be able to say that in about a years time I will graduate with a very high in demand degree from a pretty good school?

Blaming my parents, I have thought about that, but it just does not make any sense when I look at the big picture, I am very thankful to be here, and in great debt to them for working so hard to make sure there is enough money so that I may continue my education.
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05-18-2011, 04:38 AM
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Those diplomas aren't useless. There are plenty of great countries out there, many with English speaking professional jobs. No one should limit himself to the US. Naturally you're going to feel like crap if you just wait wait wait.
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05-18-2011, 11:17 AM
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This is one of the most trite expressions used these days, and it is starting to have less and less meaning with every passing day. It has practically become an excuse in itself by the people who actually deserve to be blamed.

If there is something that should have been done, but was not, whether due to incompetence or wishful thinking that things were going to fix themselves, there is always somebody to blame for that.



Wow, get off your high horse for a second and step into the real world. Sure, being undocumented has nothing to do with our problems; better yet, I guess our problems are just a figment of our imaginations, perpetuated by our complaints and excuses.

Never mind the fact that plenty of people on here have completely useless science diplomas hanging on their walls, that can be backed by their skill and eduction. Never mind that these same people, have a negligible chance of ever getting a job in their fields, without documentation. These aren't problems caused by their status but apparently by their lack of will.

As you said, tonight I am finally going to makes those decisions and will myself a driver license so I can go search for my successful high paying job tomorrow, with my freshly willed Green Card.

It is time to be decisive and assertive!
Cliches exist for a reason, pretty much everything we are going through has happened to someone in the past. What I am trying to convey with my post is that no one is forcing you to remain where you are. If you really wanted to you could end up marrying someone or saving for a year and moving to a different country where you would have more opportunities legally or illegally.

Most people fail to seek alternative solutions when the problems they face seem beyond their control because these may seem too outrageous or because they may require them to work twice as hard; people are generally lazy and mentally uneducated to deal with pressure. The predominant misconception here is that getting a degree will solve all your problems and the notion is only pushed because it's central to the DREAM act itself; for one this is complete utter bullshit because your academic achievements are not a guarantee that you'll get a green card since making this a reality is not in your hands, just like these won't absolve you from getting deported if you get caught by ICE.

It sounds like you are just pussified or dispirited because life hasn't been serving you opportunities on a silver platter in accordance to your efforts and instead of working extra hard or looking elsewhere you prefer to clump yourself with other whiners because let's face it, it's easier to avoid responsibility and misery likes company. I am sure you can come up with a list of misfortunes that prevented you from getting somewhere, you could even tell me how you've obtained multiple academic achievements and how you had to work multiple jobs to get through, but all of this is null if you stopped moving forward and all you do is sob.

Life itself doesn't owe you anything and if you are expecting to be rewarded because of your merits then it is understandable that you are still out of tune with reality and that you have further growing up to do. Again, life is not fair, just check out the unemployment rates and the amount of time and money some kids have invested to get that piece of paper only to have them go back home and complain to their parents that that's not what they expected. Stop falling for these traps, most people are playing the same game and it's leading them nowhere, "yeah, I submitted my resume to 50 companies yesterday, the thing is I want to make 60k a year, there's no way I am moving out of this city/country nor taking a shitty job while looking for a 'real' one". If you want to be extraordinary and have extra opportunities bust your fucking ass, get that degree if you need to but then do something than just waiting for something to happen.

Your parents moved here because they were assertive and saw that change required risk, so my question to you is, are you content with your life (don't bullshit yourself) and if not, are you doing something about it besides just waiting for opportunities to present themselves? Stop being a whiny bitch.
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05-19-2011, 12:10 AM
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funny thing is my mom just got her residency this year my dad has his TPS permit and brother and sister were both born in LA im the only bastard shit outta luck , fuck it im a rebel at heart i dont giva fuck it is what it is
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05-19-2011, 12:45 AM
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Here's my honest opinion. I sincerely did blame my mother for what she did. Not thinking about the consequences. But, I admire her choice. She had the strength to drop everything in order to help me get a better life. If I wasn't undocumented, I probably wouldn't have such a positive outlook on life or be the ambitious person I am today. Yes, life is unfair to many of us. Yes, we will continue to have bouts of depression. But, in the end, this situation will make us stronger, more influential people.
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05-19-2011, 02:44 AM
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I don't blame my parents for bringing me here. However, I think they should have thought twice about being undocumented in the U.S. since we were not doing bad in Mexico. I guess my dad was just going through a bad time, so he decided to move. But no, I will never blame the people I love the most.
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05-19-2011, 05:50 AM
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Disclaimer: I'm one of them crazy people that reads spiritual new-age books and believes in reincarnation and all that jazz.

The way I see it, when I was just some disembodied soul looking for a new body to be born in, I got a sneak-peek at some of the major turning points in my potential incarnations, including those of my potential parents.

Ultimately, I got to choose who my parents would be (or to be precise, who I would be born to) because I knew my relationship with them would contribute to my growth as a soul. I probably knew that I would end up in the U.S. sooner or later, and have to cope with being an undocumented immigrant.

It's kind of weird, but I actually don't agree with the pitch, "DREAMers are innocent and shouldn't be punished through the fault of their parents". Because of my spiritual views, I take full responsibility for the life I'm in now. Even though as a child, I don't get a lot of say in where my parents take me, somewhere in me my higher self knew that this was how things are supposed to turn out and I chose to be put into this situation.

At any rate, I don't know exactly what kind of spiritual lessons I'm supposed to be learning by being an undocumented immigrant. All I know is the people I've met and the relationships I've forged in the U.S. all contribute to my growth and I don't think it would have been replicated had I grown up in my native country.

tl;dr: I already knew I was going to be an undocumented immigrant in the U.S. before I was even born, so it's not my parents' fault.
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05-19-2011, 04:28 PM
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funny thing is my mom just got her residency this year my dad has his TPS permit and brother and sister were both born in LA im the only bastard shit outta luck , fuck it im a rebel at heart i dont giva fuck it is what it is
also the only one shit outta luck, except both my parents have PR status and my sis USC status and I am not grandfathered under 245i, it seems like the shit out of luck group composed of dreamers who's entire families managed to fix their status keeps on growing more and more.
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05-19-2011, 08:40 PM
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also the only one shit outta luck, except both my parents have PR status and my sis USC status and I am not grandfathered under 245i, it seems like the shit out of luck group composed of dreamers who's entire families managed to fix their status keeps on growing more and more.

This truly is a stupid system. Your complete support system is legal here and you still are denied an opportunity.
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