A Nation of Immigrants - Page 6

Originally Posted by DreamerQuas

1. i was responding to DreamerSD's post. Thank you for jumping in and hijacking a conversation already in progress. Really.
2. Like I said, waving mexican flag to show love for your homeland/origin is perfectly fine. Shit, I wave mexican flags when we play in World Cup. I'm talkin specifically about waving mexican flags during IMMIGRATION RALLIES. learn to see the difference.
3. congratulations. that still doesnt mean you should wave mexican flags during IMMIGRATION RALLIES.
4.This is not about technicalities or whether or not you can or cannot wave mexican flags. It's about trying to send out the most proper message possible to those who watch us only through the mass media. THey dont know our story. All they see is illegal immigrants marching...and waving mexican flags. Get it right.
5. Thats the thing. Every freakin immigration rallies for the past 10 years had retards waving mexican flags, chanting in spanish. throwing up gang signs. Real good propaganda. And good for you that you are legal. That doesnt prove your point in anything. Good job.

Originally Posted by DreamerQuas

Except that blacks were citizens back then with constitutionally protected rights. You are an illegal. You can protest whenever you want, but guess what? If you get arrested and cited for misdemeanor, you can get put in jail, and get processed by ICE and get deported. If you want to get technical and not sentimental, this is their America. Not yours. You are not legally suppose to be here. Congratulations.

Originally Posted by carnivore

Opposing illegal immigration is not xenophobia.

As an illegal you have no rights in this country.

Not every illegal is a Mexican, so stop displaying the Mexican flag for the rest of us.

@Boulevard: you said "I speak only for myself" which is my point exactly - put your ego down, we're working together as a group.

Your arguments are all invalid.

Originally Posted by DreamerQuas

just xenophobic people? thats your generalization based on your tunnel-vision view. where's the data? do you have solid evidence that this negative stigma is created just by xenophobic people and not average citizens?



google search world history. tell me one instance in the past 2000 years of human history where large foreign population was welcomed open heartedly into a soverign nation without friction and without some sort of opposition from the indigenous population. it's in human nature to fear and oppose outsiders who have little to nothing in common. you waving mexican flags does not help to distill that sentiment when we are all trying so hard to explain to them that we are Americans by all means and purposes. you are sending a contradictory message, whether you like it or not. congratulations.

Originally Posted by carnivore

Excuse my language, but some people here are truly delusional.

Also, understand that I was not the one who brought back this topic.

Originally Posted by Boulevard

1. I made that statement because I assume that is what you think about those who object to the idea of only waving one flag. I was only trying to clarify my stance on the issue.
2-3. Who says I shouldn't? Political movement scholars? Or just a small group of people.
4. Yeah, a number of citizens also say that seeing an illegal immigrant wave an American flag is ridiculous. I come across those people.
5. Well, how do you know those people throwing gang signs were undocumented? As for me being legal, that was a joke; I was trying to emphasize the fact that your strategy has not led to our legalization.
6. Overarching point, whether I wave the Mexican and/or American flag or a flag with a teddy bear, my actions of protest are not going to win over the screwed up idea in some citizens' heads that we will just take up all the jobs in this crappy economy.

Originally Posted by LuckyGirl

This is a very controversial subject and there seem to be some cognitive dissonance here. Diverse culture and multicultural are two different concepts. You cannot be an American and claim any other cultural affiliation.

I think the American culture is well defined. In most respects it has improved over the centuries. Further improvement can only happen if the people act towards that end. You are either an American contributing to that end or you are not. While the only constant in this world is change, in order to improve we ought to strive for change for the better. The end dictates the means; the end does not justify the means. If the means and the end are incongruous, the entire process is nullified.

If you were to look around, you'll find plenty of folks that are proud of their assimilation into the American culture...the true 'melting pot tradition'...rather than wanting to 'make America just like where they came from'. To quote Joseph Campbell, "When we celebrate our similarities we prosper. When we celebrate our differences we self destruct." 'Us and them' is the single most destructive device to any organization.

This is not a new problem. Please read what Theodore Roosevelt had to say about it a hundred years ago. His words hold true today.

http://www.hornmouthpiece.com/Americanism.htm

Originally Posted by Boulevard

Oh yeah, but I do have the right to wave a flag of a country that I am not legally part of?

I said I only speak for myself because you said I was speaking on behalf of everyone. Calm down Senator Sessions.

Why are they invalid? Elaborate it for me. Make my poor unenlightened soul see the light please