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#41
12-04-2011, 02:28 AM
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Again it's hard for me to believe that business man would leave their business in Mexico just because they like sunny Seattle. Now CB you been there for what 3 months, plus no offense but you are a teacher. You fit the example that I gave. Like I said I don't know one or two examples. I know hundreds of people who have had bad experiences. Yeah why don't you go tell Javier Sicillia that is not that bad.
CB 124, your career honestly does not expose you to the dangers that Labamba and I have brought up in other Mexican careers. Cisco, I don't know what kind of law your uncle practices, but be realistic. Admit that he runs tremendous risks if he is a prosecutor.

Mexico is not Sudan, but it does have an organized crime problem. It's nothing against Mexico. It is the truth. And as much as some recommend that we move to "non-violent" areas, that recommendation still does not take into account that the crime problem can spread EVEN to places considered to be relatively peaceful and calm. And for all you know, Puebla might even have active cartel members. You just might not know . . .
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I know Mexico is not like Sudan, ok. But, you have to acknowledge that there are certain careers were you can become a target to organized crime.

You mentioned your uncle is a lawyer? Is he in criminal law?

What does he do for security??
Absolutely i acknowledge this, no doubt about it, but as CB124 stated it really comes down to the city you live in. Yes, i have heard that some honest businesses have been the target of organized crime by way of extortion, but as i mentioned above, it really depends in what city or town your business is located in. For example, the business i read about that were being harassed by the cartels were ironically in the business hub of Monterrey. Now, this shouldn't be really that surprising because Nuevo Leon is also home to one of the major drug cartels (i forget which one). And to answer your question, i believe he is some sort of prosecutor for the state of Mexico and my mom told me he carries a gun. He's also been doing this for some 20 something years.
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12-04-2011, 03:14 AM
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Ok now time for me to be frank:

It isn't as bad as you think it is. The spanish speaking media in the US makes it sound ten times worse. Can anyone guess why? Hmm, do you think they want their viewership shrinking?
Try to make them understand this though, CB124, it's difficult. Have you people forgotten Univision and the likes are a business after all.
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12-04-2011, 03:19 AM
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By the way Smooth, are you even Mexican? Just curious man.
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By the way Smooth, are you even Mexican? Just curious man.
Yup. I am Mexican, and my hometown in Jalisco is actually ridden by Zetas. Keep in my mind. My hometown was peaceful until about two or three years ago. Hence, the crime problem can even spread to the peaceful cities or regions you guys like to mention.

Don't tell me I don't know because I talk to people in my hometown, and they confirm all the "propaganda" I hear on the news.

I assume you live in Mexico now because you seem to be nationalistically defensive. Like I have said, it is nothing against Mexico, its people, its culture, its institutions, etc. Mexico really has an organized crime problem, period.

Why are you so defensive of the fact that Labamba and I are simply stating the obvious? Are you trying to cover it up or something? If we say that Mexico has an organized crime problem and SOME DAMN careers expose you to danger, it is the reasonable truth, and it is nothing against Mexico. I get the feeling, Cisco, that you view some of us who make these declarations as nationalistic hicks or wannabe Americans who talk bad about Mexico.
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Absolutely i acknowledge this, no doubt about it, but as CB124 stated it really comes down to the city you live in. Yes, i have heard that some honest businesses have been the target of organized crime by way of extortion, but as i mentioned above, it really depends in what city or town your business is located in. For example, the business i read about that were being harassed by the cartels were ironically in the business hub of Monterrey. Now, this shouldn't be really that surprising because Nuevo Leon is also home to one of the major drug cartels (i forget which one). And to answer your question, i believe he is some sort of prosecutor for the state of Mexico and my mom told me he carries a gun. He's also been doing this for some 20 something years.
A gun? That's it? Are you kidding me? Haven't you heard the stories in which even politicians with caravans of security guards have been killed?

Your uncle is really pushing his luck.
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Ok, now you guys can go ahead and curse me out and tell me I'm a disgrace to Mexico . . . blah, blah, blah.
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Well you have to look at it this way. The only cartel that really does extortion is the Zetas, and the Acapulco ones. The Zetas are mostly on the Gulf Coast and the Texas border cities...and Monterrey. Sinaloa doesn't extort, they make enough money selling drugs. And if you are a narco, how are you goingto make money: You need port cities to bring your product in from South America and Asia, you need borders with Guatemala to bring it in overland, and you need border citiies with the US to move your product into the US across the border. Then, you need major regional hubs where all of the major roads to the border cities run through, like Monterrey. And on top of that, there are retail sales in the major cities like Guadalajara...and remote mountain areas to set up your meth labs (Michoacan).
So, those all happen to be the areas where the gangsters are hanging out. Puebla doesn't meet any of those descriptions. And Veracruz is historically the oldest port in the country, and I went there two weeks ago and I was surprised how quickly the zetas got cleaned out.
Cities like Queretaro, Aguascalientes, Puebla, Tlaxcala, everywhere in Guanajuato, Cancun, Cabo....are all mostly untouched.


And I feel safer living in Puebla than I would in Los Angeles or Houston Texas. I have been hearing about the cartel violence goin on there. If you want to know where the violence is at and why, you can read this.

http://webcache.googleusercontent.co...&hl=en&ct=clnk
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Well you have to look at it this way. The only cartel that really does extortion is the Zetas, and the Acapulco ones. The Zetas are mostly on the Gulf Coast and the Texas border cities...and Monterrey. Sinaloa doesn't extort, they make enough money selling drugs. And if you are a narco, how are you goingto make money: You need port cities to bring your product in from South America and Asia, you need borders with Guatemala to bring it in overland, and you need border citiies with the US to move your product into the US across the border. Then, you need major regional hubs where all of the major roads to the border cities run through, like Monterrey. And on top of that, there are retail sales in the major cities like Guadalajara...and remote mountain areas to set up your meth labs (Michoacan).
So, those all happen to be the areas where the gangsters are hanging out. Puebla doesn't meet any of those descriptions. And Veracruz is historically the oldest port in the country, and I went there two weeks ago and I was surprised how quickly the zetas got cleaned out.
Cities like Queretaro, Aguascalientes, Puebla, Tlaxcala, everywhere in Guanajuato, Cancun, Cabo....are all mostly untouched.


And I feel safer living in Puebla than I would in Los Angeles or Houston Texas. I have been hearing about the cartel violence goin on there. If you want to know where the violence is at and why, you can read this.

http://webcache.googleusercontent.co...&hl=en&ct=clnk
Hey have you been to Guadalajara? because its a big possibility I might go back and thats the only place i have family
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Hey have you been to Guadalajara? because its a big possibility I might go back and thats the only place i have family
They found twenty something bodies dumped inside various cars a block away from where the pan am games took place. They were members of the Sinaloa Cartel and were executed by the Zetas.
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