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#11
02-03-2012, 03:24 PM
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Yeah but US citizens are US citizens. Where the hell are you going to deport them to. You guys aren't citizens, just get over it. There is somewhere in the world you are a citizen of, where you have more rights than a US citizen does, but everyone's parents took a chance here and gave that up. So just learn to deal with it. If a US citizen came down here to Mexico and pulled that, I can guarantee a cuffing and a beatdown at the police station with no medical attention until they signed a guilty plea. So seriously stop whining.

If you drive without a license, you are already breaking a law and could be screwed if caught...then throw in DWI? How stupid can you be.

Fuck it, I say deport everyone who gets a DWI. I care more about the kids playing in the streets who can get mowed down by some degenerate moron than I do about the degenerate moron.

So no, if you aren't supposed to be legally driving in the first place but you chance it and drive anyway, you should be smart enough not to drink and drive. Its so stupid, its like walking in front of a school at the age of 30 and exposing yourself in front of the police then complaining that you got racially profiled.
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We know better than other people the risks and consequences of our actions, I agree with what you say.
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02-03-2012, 07:38 PM
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anyone who believe all those harsh penalties for doing something everyone does is an idiot just playing to their tune, while were at it its also against the law to be in the country illegally so what makes a DUI driver more of a criminal than someone who comes into another country without respect to their immigration laws, see the same argument turned around there? this is the stupid mindset that made america a country of fat complacent lazy idiots who don't compare to those who fought in the world wars or knew what hard work was actually like, guess what theyre really upto when theyre running their stupid DWI checkpoints? especially the ones during the day, you think just cuz ur sober ur gonna get away? all it is is money and the prison system needs victims who ppl wont have any sympathy for to milk, same way illegals are used as farm animals, and im sorry to say but if your kid's playing out in the street i can't really feel sorry for you as everything there are risks, the streets are not made to be a playground and its parents who should be looking out for their kid, as the law says till theyre 18, so imagine that also, there u are driving around no license of course, when suddenly someone's kid runs out to the middle of the street and right on to your car, what do you do? and the parents arent even outside, which is even more negligent cuz who the hell are you to know that a kid lives there much less that his parents let him do whatever the fuck he wants without supervising them, how are you more negligent than the shitty parents who let their kids run around in the streets? yet who do you think would be doing the hard time for that one when its them who should of aborted their mistake if they wanna use the street as a babysitter, i played out there plenty and always looked out but these days kids arent even taught that, both cases wel lactually the ilegals the dui and the kids on the street theyre all pedaled around by the prison lobbyists and laws get passed instantly against them just cuz no one has sympathy for them or will defend them, i dont agree with drunk drivers but 2 beers is pretty ridiculous to consider 'intoxicated' and btw i dont drink and drive just cuz im aware of how distorted these laws are just to turn some money
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02-03-2012, 07:42 PM
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and no i dont think dreamers should get caught up in that, but i aint going to defend the system either or consider all criminals bc already theres enough ppl who consider all dreamers criminals, best we can do is atleast recognize those are the rules but are very tipped against us vs a 'good ol boe' whos probably shitfaced every weekend n gets out of jail the same day
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02-03-2012, 07:43 PM
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Why you mad?

Anyways being illegal in this country doesn't risk somebody else's life. Being illegal and risking DUI is stupidity at its finest. She should've been MORE aware than that.

There are no such thing as a perfect law but they are there to be followed.

Heck I drive more cautiously than the others just because I know that I risk deportation if ever pulled over, what makes her an exception ? DUI oh please...
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That's why laws are in place, if we all just made certain exceptions such as this young lady, this country would slowly degenerate into a lawless society (Some argue that it's already heading that way, knock on wood...). We cannot have certain gray areas especially when it is something as drinking (no matter how little or lot) and driving when other people may be at risk.
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02-03-2012, 11:42 PM
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That's why laws are in place, if we all just made certain exceptions such as this young lady, this country would slowly degenerate into a lawless society (Some argue that it's already heading that way, knock on wood...). We cannot have certain gray areas especially when it is something as drinking (no matter how little or lot) and driving when other people may be at risk.
She tries to commit suicide.... Twice, her alcohol level was 0.09 when the limit was 0.08, they stripped her naked after she tried to commit suicide while in custody, kept her on a charge of fraud because she used a matricula.

The point is, our life is not the best. We are susceptible to crime, we are susceptible to depression, suicide is too common amongst the dreamer community and if someone makes a mistake they get separated from everyone they know and love to a place they don't know? I truly hope she is able to find the help she needs and that they are truly able to help her, I have been shocked by the responses that I am seeing here.

Undocumented youth blaming undocumented youth when it's something much larger than all of us that is to blame. We have been criminalized and victimized for too long.
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02-03-2012, 11:50 PM
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She tries to commit suicide.... Twice, her alcohol level was 0.09 when the limit was 0.08, they stripped her naked after she tried to commit suicide while in custody, kept her on a charge of fraud because she used a matricula.

The point is, our life is not the best. We are susceptible to crime, we are susceptible to depression, suicide is too common amongst the dreamer community and if someone makes a mistake they get separated from everyone they know and love to a place they don't know? I truly hope she is able to find the help she needs and that they are truly able to help her, I have been shocked by the responses that I am seeing here.

Undocumented youth blaming undocumented youth when it's something much larger than all of us that is to blame. We have been criminalized and victimized for too long.
That sounds terrible. I admit I wasn't aware of the whole story.

When I say I have no sympathy for people who knowingly break the law, especially if they're in our situation, I don't mean it personally.
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to be fair, stripping her naked was prolly a good idea if a straitjacket or pillow room wasn't handy. they should've just moved her to a psych ward, but we're illegal, we've come to expect shit for treatment.
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02-06-2012, 09:44 AM
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People fuck up. We are all humans; dont act like you have never gone over the speed limit. I'm not religious or anything, but I do like this quote. " Let he who is without sin cast the first stone"
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She tries to commit suicide.... Twice, her alcohol level was 0.09 when the limit was 0.08, they stripped her naked after she tried to commit suicide while in custody, kept her on a charge of fraud because she used a matricula.

The point is, our life is not the best. We are susceptible to crime, we are susceptible to depression, suicide is too common amongst the dreamer community and if someone makes a mistake they get separated from everyone they know and love to a place they don't know? I truly hope she is able to find the help she needs and that they are truly able to help her, I have been shocked by the responses that I am seeing here.

Undocumented youth blaming undocumented youth when it's something much larger than all of us that is to blame. We have been criminalized and victimized for too long.
That's exactly it. Some of the responses on this board remind me of the sort of thing I would see on an ANTI-immigration reform website. That just shows you how successful Numbers USA and all the rest have been: they have the victims blaming themselves instead of what is an obviously broken system created by far-right, tacitly racist, anti-immigration pressure groups.

I still think my original point stands. If a DUI is not punishable in an extreme way for a citizen, then why should it be for a non-citizen? The reality is that under the law as it currently is, DUI's are not treated as a serious crime but as a smaller deal. In Georgia, for example, you get the same number of points on your license for speeding as for having an open container in the car. Would all of those favoring extreme measures above, also be as adamant to have their papers suddenly revoked and be deported if they were pulled over for speeding after they got them?

Everyone here, if you dig deep enough, could be found guilty of some misdemeanor crime. This is exactly the sort of thing the Republicans love to do--complain about some sort of group that gets by with "amnesty"--in order to further restrict the number of people that would get legalization. Look at how quick everybody has been to jump on the ARMS Act bandwagon when nothing is happening. Or how fast they were willing to dump the over thirty crowd in the last failed vote on DA (hear me, DA USer, we may agree for once?). Better to pull the plank out of your own eye, than to go around bitching about the sliver that you see in your neighbor's.
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That's exactly it. Some of the responses on this board remind me of the sort of thing I would see on an ANTI-immigration reform website. That just shows you how successful Numbers USA and all the rest have been: they have the victims blaming themselves instead of what is an obviously broken system created by far-right, tacitly racist, anti-immigration pressure groups.

I still think my original point stands. If a DUI is not punishable in an extreme way for a citizen, then why should it be for a non-citizen? The reality is that under the law as it currently is, DUI's are not treated as a serious crime but as a smaller deal. In Georgia, for example, you get the same number of points on your license for speeding as for having an open container in the car. Would all of those favoring extreme measures above, also be as adamant to have their papers suddenly revoked and be deported if they were pulled over for speeding after they got them?

Everyone here, if you dig deep enough, could be found guilty of some misdemeanor crime. This is exactly the sort of thing the Republicans love to do--complain about some sort of group that gets by with "amnesty"--in order to further restrict the number of people that would get legalization. Look at how quick everybody has been to jump on the ARMS Act bandwagon when nothing is happening. Or how fast they were willing to dump the over thirty crowd in the last failed vote on DA (hear me, DA USer, we may agree for once?). Better to pull the plank out of your own eye, than to go around bitching about the sliver that you see in your neighbor's.
Lol @ DUI being compared to a misdemeanor, the usual DUI for a USC will cost right around 15k(more or less depending on your state), not including all the hardships of getting your license back, anyone who goes and drives on a wheel while being intoxicated is retarded, anyone who goes and drives while having the knowledge that they are illegal in this country while intoxicated and not expect any kind of lash is simply delusional.

Lol @ you wanting same rights as a USC even though you are not from this country and disobey laws, try that in Mexico, or any other country and see what happens.

I have heard of many illegals come and drink and drive, the usual treatment was to let them go and pay, this is simply retarded since they will just go out and commit the same thing over and over again.

I have no sympathy for these idiots, and anyone who does, should be deported along with them.
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