My idea to reform immigration. - Page 10

Speak for yourself. I've had an SSN for 19 years. I support e-verify AFTER the estimated 11 million people here who are eligible for CIR receive a path to citizenship and after they receive eligibility to work and obtain socials. Why? Again, because it will be one step closer to solving the problem.

Will E-Verify work everywhere? OFCOURSE NOT. Its only going to work in small businesses and major corporations. It will not work in small mom and pop stores and small restaurants which are constantly opening and where most undocumented peeps look for jobs.

I don't understand how that relates to supporting E-verify in the present because you have to take care of the broken system first. I am actually one of those that doesn't believe CIR is really necessary. I think is the 10 year bar and opening of the I waiver that needs to brought back. I think reforming rules that exist now should be the focus because they are what not allowing many eligible people from becoming legal. Most people already have a US citizen close relative that can sponsor them or an employer willing to sponsor them.

Before IIRIRA people traveled back and forth to work. They rarely settled here. It is the policies of IIRIRA that made the problem worse because people had to stay to help their families back home.

No I don't support infinite illegal immigration, but I also don't think you could ever really fully stop it. Think about it this way. What is below the United States, Mexico, el salvador, guatemala etc.. all poor countries. The economic push and pull is never going to stop. Why do you think the Chinese came, the italians, irish, japanese etc....

I do think that it needs to be earned legalization and I do agree with the language requirement. I know many of my colleagues don't but you need English to defend yourself.

I don't support the use of the word Illegal and I am in disbelief at how many of you use it.

If you look at my timeline I have had an SSN for the same amount of time. I still don't understand how e-verify will solve the problem. You are crazy to think 11 million people are going to be eligible.

What? Again I JUST SAID that i support e-verify AFTER CIR is implemented. I'll say it again, expansion of immigration to allow people to come here.

Its a new time with different "threats" to the country, you should forget about the specifics of bills that were passed previously and look toward the future that adds security. This needs to be addressed regardless of what anyone thinks because too many people are concerned with national security.

Yes, i also agree that you cant stop the push pull. Technically there can be a way to stop it but it is too much money invested that it would not be realistic. Thats why there needs to be a more permanent solution and since most people come here for work e-verify is a way to stop giving them incentives to come here. We are a single country, while it would be nice to help countries below us, a line must be drawn.

How are people who have been here for for decades who are now old and undocumented supposed to prove their worth when they are 70, 80 years old? That makes no sense. Yes, obviously people should learn english as a means of communication.

Sorry im not butt hurt over the word illegal. I used it once in the context where you could replace it with undocumented. The only other time i used the word undocumented. Im not going to call it Undocumented immigration, im going to call it like it is. Im in disbelief that you think the word illegal is demoralizing to every person in this country who is undocumented. I dont care what you call me, illegal or undocumented, all i care about is a fair path to fix this issue in a clear and robust manner.

for the record, you used the word illegal twice in your last post.

E-Verify will allow people who are eligible to work here do just that. It reduces incentives for people to come here and look for work thinking that now that CIR passed, another CIR will pass again in a decade. Like i said before, smaller businesses that open everyday probably will not use e-verify and those are the jobs that people who are EWI's or overstays take on anyways. I also never said it would completely solve the problem, but theres no denying that it will help.

I didnt mean it as 11 million people are going to be eligible. I said "AFTER the estimated 11 million people here who are eligible for CIR receive a path to citizenship and after they receive eligibility to work and obtain socials."

What i really meant to say was after considering the estimated 11m people here, see who is eligible for CIR (i interpret CIR to mean a guaranteed path to citizenship), give those who are eligible EADs/SSNs, and ONLY AFTER they receive them (addressing everyone who is already here that is eligible) start up the e-verify system.

i get the feeling we will see a reform but it will be really hard and expensive

1. If I used the word illegal than my bad but I don't see where. I try my hardest not to do it.
2.Older people are already waived from english requirements and citizen test requirements. So, I am talking working age. Because that is mostly who is going to be affected by e-verify.
3. I don't think e-verify will help at all. It is just going to lead to more abuse of people. Even in large business and corporations I think it will increase people working under the table with no security at all.
4. It will do what it has done in places where it has been implemented such as hotels. It made hotels fire a bunch of workers that they had hired. Most of those workers received some benefits through the hotels. So, what do hotels do they hire cleaning people through contractors. what do contractors do they hire those same women fired, but offer them less protections. Why because they don't have to implement e-verify.
5. If all employers are forced to use e-verify including contractors what do you think they are going to do. Hire people under the table. It is just going to create more black market industries.

When I am talking about protections and benefits I don't even mean healthcare and all that other good stuff like 401k plans. I mean the basics-bathroom breaks, lunch breaks, etc. sick days.

I am all for the earn legalization part. However, I don't think CIR or any other immigration reform is going to take care of immigration.
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On another point because we are discussing the possibility of estimated 11 million people being legalized. I am not sure how long it will take for all of them to be processed and if we support e-very con-currently with CIR. We run the risk that e-verify will have an implementation date before all of the 11 million people are processed. If they are taking forever to process 200,000 applications so far. Imagine 11 million people.

All I know is E-Verify does hurt.

Speaking out of experience, it has effectively destroyed my chances at making more than minimum wage multiple times. I can see how it can discourage people from working without permission, yet I could also see people doing even more to get around it - Much like immigrants "borrowing" a family member's documents to join the military.

Also... can't we all just... get along? There's so much infighting in these forums, that it's making me sick.

1. Any and all restrictions and/or enforcement criteria are OBVIOUSLY to be implemented POST passage of all components of reform.

2. I do not and will not defend any incentive for others to live a life as a Second Class Citizen, while this maybe a life better than the best in other people's country, waiting 10,15,20 years to live a LIFE is not worth defending. Why would anyone have to live in a place where LAWS are passed because of their condition, SB1070, where all the reasons for their condition are those coming from a good place. It might sound selfish, but I do not know how anyone's life would of been if in 1986 they made these kinds of restrictions??? I don't know, but I cannot sit 10 years down the road looking at anyone being denied their civil liberties because today we sat staunch in a false-dignity.

3. No framework has been discussed... Let's get emotional when they try to make us jump on top of a crocodiles as a precondition for LPR.

1. Conduct deep background checks and deport all criminals that have committed crimes here or in their home country.
2. Allow everyone to apply for permanent residency. Be very strict.
3. After most applications are processed, make a law similar law to sb1070 to discourage all future crossings.
4. Deport and revoke green cards to all future criminals.
5. Everyone finally pays taxes and contributes to this country. No more whining.
6. Immediately disable welfare for able-bodied people.