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I'm assuming you mean INA,I'm not well versed on the law interacts with or restricts LGBT couples but I thought there were anti-sodomy statutes under Good Moral Character?

I also thought I read a past story where LGBT employees of the State Department are allowed to apply for an immigration benefit for their partner under this Administration if I'm not mistaken.
I mean IMA - Immigration Modernization Act, which is pretty much what CIR is called now. Full title of the bill being "Border Security, Economic Opportunity, and Immigration Modernization Act".
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I mean IMA - Immigration Modernization Act, which is pretty much what CIR is called now. Full title of the bill being "Border Security, Economic Opportunity, and Immigration Modernization Act".
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The claim that gay/lesbian Citizens/LPRs have is obviously more "legit" than any claim that undocumented people have.

However, here's the thing:
If immigration reform fails, no one gets anything. We're stuck with the same shitty system.

When DOMA is struck down (and it's not a question of if, just when) they will get their rights. They will be able to get what they need the same way straight couples do. Except if reform passes now then their wait times will be reduced due to the increase in family visa allocations.
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I'm undocumented and I'm gay. Some of the moronic things I am hearing on this thread make me seriously wonder about y'all.

Do I agree with including gay rights issues into the CIR? Perhaps not.
Mostly because as someone said before, the Federal Government does not recognize gay marriage...yet. It will be its own process. Hell, it will be a long process. But peoples minds are changing. The problem is that with it included, CIR has no chance.

What I absolutely do not agree with, is how ignorant some people are. (especially the comment about these gays being the ones against undocumented immigrants.)
I respect everyones opinion. But christ. Some of the arguments I am hearing are pretty similar to those I hear from people who are against any type of immigration reform. I guess it goes to show how quickly we forget people in a similar situation once our own situation looks like it will improve.

I know PLENTY of other other gay people who would not wish discrimination on anyone. They are very much in favor of CIR because they know what it is like to be left out of things and be discriminated.

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I'm undocumented and I'm gay. Some of the moronic things I am hearing on this thread make me seriously wonder about y'all.

Do I agree with including gay rights issues into the CIR? Perhaps not.
Mostly because as someone said before, the Federal Government does not recognize gay marriage...yet. It will be its own process. Hell, it will be a long process. But peoples minds are changing. The problem is that with it included, CIR has no chance.

What I absolutely do not agree with, is how ignorant some people are. (especially the comment about these gays being the ones against undocumented immigrants.)
I respect everyones opinion. But christ. Some of the arguments I am hearing are pretty similar to those I hear from people who are against any type of immigration reform. I guess it goes to show how quickly we forget people in a similar situation once our own situation looks like it will improve.

I know PLENTY of other other gay people who would not with discrimination on anyone. They are very much in favor of CIR because they know what it is like to be left out of things and be discriminated.

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Seriously the only worth reading comment in this thread. Thank you some of these comments are so embarrassing and gross

I do agree that they should never add CIR, two controversial issues put into one doesnt sound smart.
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I'm undocumented and I'm gay. Some of the moronic things I am hearing on this thread make me seriously wonder about y'all.

Do I agree with including gay rights issues into the CIR? Perhaps not.
Mostly because as someone said before, the Federal Government does not recognize gay marriage...yet. It will be its own process. Hell, it will be a long process. But peoples minds are changing. The problem is that with it included, CIR has no chance.

What I absolutely do not agree with, is how ignorant some people are. (especially the comment about these gays being the ones against undocumented immigrants.)
I respect everyones opinion. But christ. Some of the arguments I am hearing are pretty similar to those I hear from people who are against any type of immigration reform. I guess it goes to show how quickly we forget people in a similar situation once our own situation looks like it will improve.

I know PLENTY of other other gay people who would not with discrimination on anyone. They are very much in favor of CIR because they know what it is like to be left out of things and be discriminated.

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Longtime lurker here. I did apply, waiting for approval, but do qualify for DACA. But I would say the main reason I'm illegal in the US is because I am a married to a US Citizen. I met while I was attending high school legally in the US, and yes I arrived before 16.

HRC and Immigration Equality are not putting language to repeal DOMA, but rather to allow permanent partners who are gay sponsor their foreign partners for immigration purposes.

And in a sense, I am a dreamer. Attending most of my schooling in the US and feel America. I understand the frustration of those, like myself, whose parents brought them to the US for whatever reasons. They shouldn't be punished for their parents. My sister though has a greencard, she married but is straight.

What I can't get behind is that people who choose, like your parents, to come here illegally should get to go ahead of me. Sure I would benefit from reform in that sense that in 5-10 years I could get a greencard... even though my sister already has one and I was married before her. Does that sound fair?

Or what about the 'good' couples that spend most of the time apart or juggling legit visas? This 'comprehensive' reform doesn't help them.

Anyhow Senator Leahy is gambling, gambling that Republicans won't dare vote against immigration reform regardless of it includes gay couples.

It is not Comprehensive Immigration Reform unless it includes everyone.
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Longtime lurker here. I did apply, waiting for approval, but do qualify for DACA. But I would say the main reason I'm illegal in the US is because I am a married to a US Citizen. I met while I was attending high school legally in the US, and yes I arrived before 16.

HRC and Immigration Equality are not putting language to repeal DOMA, but rather to allow permanent partners who are gay sponsor their foreign partners for immigration purposes.

And in a sense, I am a dreamer. Attending most of my schooling in the US and feel America. I understand the frustration of those, like myself, whose parents brought them to the US for whatever reasons. They shouldn't be punished for their parents. My sister though has a greencard, she married but is straight.

What I can't get behind is that people who choose, like your parents, to come here illegally should get to go ahead of me. Sure I would benefit from reform in that sense that in 5-10 years I could get a greencard... even though my sister already has one and I was married before her. Does that sound fair?

Or what about the 'good' couples that spend most of the time apart or juggling legit visas? This 'comprehensive' reform doesn't help them.

Anyhow Senator Leahy is gambling, gambling that Republicans won't dare vote against immigration reform regardless of it includes gay couples.

It is not Comprehensive Immigration Reform unless it includes everyone.
I disagree, the federal government does not recognize gay marriage as valid.. I have no problems with gays but that's what it is.. It's like me marrying my cat and expecting a green card.. Not possible cause its not valid.. Until gays become recognized by the Feds then you'll be included.. It's a completely other fight and it would be a damn shame to ruin 11 million family's because a couple thousand LGBT's and believe me a lot of people would start hating gays just for that reason.
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I disagree, the federal government does not recognize gay marriage as valid.. I have no problems with gays but that's what it is.. It's like me marrying my cat and expecting a green card.. Not possible cause its not valid.. Until gays become recognized by the Feds then you'll be included.. It's a completely other fight and it would be a damn shame to ruin 11 million family's because a couple thousand LGBT's and believe me a lot of people would start hating gays just for that reason.
Just like marrying a cat... wow. Nice. You know what is also currently illegal? You in this country. So, yes we are trying to change that. But I think the right thing is Comprehensive Immigration Reform... not partial.

And it is not a separate issue... it is an Immigration Issue. A separate issue would be SS benefits, or taxation etc...

And don't be mad at Gays, we are you allies. HRC, the biggest gay organization is pushing for Comprehensive Immigration Reform. Be mad at Republicans. Though you do have some Republicans who are cosponsors of Uniting American Families Act.
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