US Representative Steve King Has Heated Confrontation With Dreamers - Page 3

Thank you for your civility. You are the first person on this forum to reply without animus. You are clearly a mature and intelligent person, and of the caliber most citizens would welcome and support. Sadly, you are being represented by far too many seemingly more interested in self-aggrandizement and arrogant antics than furthering your cause.

I am not here to antagonize. I thought perhaps I could offer a different perspective, and express the feelings shared by many citizens. Reading comments on this forum, it became apparent that many Dreamers have a misconception. It is automatically assumed, opposition equates to racism, xenophobia, nativism, or anti-Hispanic sentiment. Nothing could be further from the truth. Are there racist opponents? Are you hated by some? Absolutely! However, I can attest to the fact, most do not share their position.

While I vehemently oppose CIR, I support legalization for any person who entered this country as a child, and knows no other home, as long as they are not a reprobate and can contribute to this country. We already have enough criminals and parasites. We certainly don't need more. Children follow their parents. Generally, they do not have a choice. However, I believe the entry age should be lowered. I don't consider a 20-year-old who entered this country at 15, someone who "grew up" here. A person who entered as a toddler would know no other country; but, a 15-year-old would.

It is always a national security threat when foreign nationals enter without inspection. Some may have nefarious intent. We simply don't know. While it is true the 9/11 terrorists did not enter through our southern border, foreign nationals from terrorist nations have been apprehended crossing illegally from Mexico. BP has also reported many learn Spanish to portray themselves as Mexican nationals. Our enemies would be foolish not to take advantage of our porous border with Mexico, especially now. While the BP is processing children and families, drug smugglers and other miscreants have unfettered access.

If 57,000 children can traverse the dangerous terrain, surely it is possible for sophisticated terrorists. They have the means to fly close to the Rio Grande, and have transportation waiting on the U.S. side of the border. They don't have to trek across the scorching desert.

I understand why you and other Dreamers want to help your parents. However, the in-your-face arrogance is counterproductive. They aren't "asking" for help. They are "demanding." They are also demanding a seat at the negotiation table, as though they have a right to dictate U.S. laws. I am sure you can understand why such temerity would infuriate citizens. I know for a fact, the group currently protesting at the White House is losing support for your cause. Again, humility will garner far more support than arrogance. It takes gall for people who are not citizens of this country, here legally or illegally, to protest outside the White House demanding anything.

I clearly understand why you will not abandon your mom. I wouldn't either. I don't believe most would. However, your mother made a conscious decision to circumvent the law. It isn't necessary to be well-versed on U.S. immigration policies. She knew she did not have authorization to enter this country.

We can't enforce laws based on familial ties or emotion. There are thousands of citizen mothers serving time in prison for various offenses. I am sure their children would prefer to have them home. Would it be fair to pardon the parents of Dreamers, while U.S. citizens are required to pay for their crimes? I think not.

I oppose CIR because it is amnesty. We tried amnesty in 1986, and are now suffering the consequences. Amnesty only serves to incentivize illegal immigration, because it rewards lawlessness. CIR does not include punitive measures. It pardons illegal aliens for crimes such as ID theft, fraud, and tax evasion. Employers are also given a pass. A U.S. citizen would be prosecuted for such offenses.

You know yourself a SSN is required for employment in this country. Millions of citizens have had their identity stolen by illegal aliens. This wreaks havoc for the victims. Citizens have been denied unemployment benefits because illegal aliens are using their SSN to work. Others have been denied medical coverage. It also ruins good credit. The list goes on. Illegal immigration is not a victimless crime. People are suffering. It takes years to resolve problems associated with ID theft, if ever. Should the perpetrators escape punishment? They will, with the passage of CIR.


I do not doubt there are cases such as your examples. The ineptitude of government agencies is astounding; which is precisely why fraud and waste is rampant. Government programs lack oversight. If we had competent agencies, we would not be in this mess. CIR would be yet another failure.

While some may come with the intention of remaining compliant with the terms of their visa, others enter on visas intending to never leave. I believe we should assist those with bona fide visa issues. But, we should not reward those who came here with the intent to violate the law. A distinction must be made.


I said I am married to a legal immigrant. However, I did not petition him. He was a naturalized citizen prior to our marriage, after being subjected to a lengthy and costly process. Understandably, he is a staunch opponent of CIR. Frankly, I would not marry a person who relied on my status to gain citizenship. I certainly would not marry a person here illegally. I am sure some marriages are based on love. But, there is also fraud. Not to mention, the number of posters on this forum contemplating marriage solely to gain legal status. That's appalling.

I understand their desperation. However, that does not justify violating our laws. If they are not working under the table, they are using a stolen or fake SSN. Even a fake SSN can be a valid number assigned to a citizen or legal immigrant. Again, it is not a victimless crime. Citizens suffer.

I couldn't agree more. NAFTA was a huge mistake. However, there must be consequences for violating the law. Perhaps a 10-year ban is excessive, I'm not sure. I do know it can't be too difficult to return to this country illegally given the number of repeat deportees.

I don't believe there are only 11 million living here illegally. We have been told there were 10-11 million for the past decade. They estimated 800,000 prior to the 1986 amnesty. In reality there were in excess of 3 million. Therefore, I think it is safe to assume we have at least twice, if not three times as many than estimated. There may be 10 million in California alone.

I had to split my response. When I tried to post, I received a message that it exceeded the length. Sorry.

You are absolutely right. Remittances account for Mexico's #2 source of revenue. Billions are sent each month. That is money leaving this country, which creates another problem. Most of those billions would remain here to boost this economy if millions were not here illegally sending billions home. To compound the problem, millions who send monthly remittances are receiving tax-funded benefits. They use their U.S.-born children or fraud to collect. Therefore, U.S. taxpayers are supporting them while they are boosting Mexico's economy.

I have never believed the goal is citizenship. In fact, only a small percent of those with green cards ever apply for citizenship. Illegal aliens want legal status, period. The U.S. is simply a means to an end. Most are here to simply get what they can. Some will save money and return to their countries of origin to start businesses or build homes. The U.S. is being used.

Mexico's middle-class is growing by leaps and bounds, while the U.S. middle-class is being decimated, in part, due to illegal immigration. If the U.S. could dump millions of impoverished on Canada, we would also prosper, especially if our citizens send billions in remittances to boost our economy. It would be a win-win. We would not have the burden of supporting our impoverished, while we would reap the benefit from their employment in another country.


I used the example of Black Americans during Jim Crow simply to illustrate, with courage and resolve it is possible to improve one's life without fleeing to another country. Mexicans should fight to restore some semblance of law, and replace their corrupt government. As long as they flee to the U.S. nothing will change.

However, I do agree no valid comparison can be made between the plight of Black Americans and illegal aliens. As citizens, Black Americans had a right to protest and demand equality in this country. It is an affront to compare their plight to that of people living here illegally.

Politicians on both sides of the aisle are crooks. Neither party has the best interest of the citizens of this country at heart. They do the bidding for Wall Street, K Street, and well-funded special interest groups. If they don't care about citizens, they certainly don't care about you. We are all mere pawns. They will say and do anything to retain their cushy seats in Congress. They lack integrity. The citizens of this country should clean house.

I wish you the best, and hope you will one day realize your dream.

Thank you for your kindness. As I explained to "kabs" my issue is not with bona fide Dreamers, who were brought here as children, and know no other home. I do not fault you. I support you. But, I cannot support CIR. Frankly, I don't know anyone who does.

Immigration "reform" should not include amnesty. It should involve streamlining our legal immigration process, granting foreign STEM graduates an opportunity to remain here, and other necessary improvements.

However, people who willfully violated our laws should not be rewarded with legalization. No country can sustain this level of unabated massive illegal immigration. Too much damage has been done. I realize massive illegal immigration has been facilitated by the U.S. government. I also realize many are here simply to work.

While I certainly feel compassion, my loyalty is to this country and the citizens who are seeing their wages depressed, businesses bankrupted, displaced jobs, crime, and destroyed neighborhoods. There are no jobs Americans won't do for a decent wage and benefits.

I also notice, unlike prior immigrants who came here with a desire to become an American, the majority of illegal aliens seem to have no such aspirations. Many refuse to assimilate, and arrogantly expect to be accommodated in Spanish. Again, the government and businesses are complicit. No other group has been so coddled. Other immigrants either learned English, or they could not survive in the country. It was sink or swim. There has never been a press 1 for English and 2 for French, Italian, German, etc.

I believe another amnesty would be the final nail in the coffin. If we reward millions again, in ten years we will have perhaps 40 million more demanding the same. Repeating the same failed policy would be national suicide. Rather than progressing, we would become a replica of the failed third-world countries illegal aliens fled. That is not what I want for my country.

Good luck! Have a great day and a wonderful weekend.

Correct me if I am wrong. Isn't DREAMACT same thing as CIR? I thought the comprehensive reform focused towards legalizing children.

Likewise, I do agree with you that adults, my mother included, who came to this country illegally should not be eligible for the comprehensive reform. They made the choice of breaking the law, and should be held liable for their action. I know I am being selfish, and our parents have sacrificed much for our sake, but they made a conscious decision, and were well aware of the consequences. My mother said to me once, she will be just happy if I, alone, get legalization, because she knows that I would take care of her rest of her life.

enough, i don't understand why you don't support CIR. Is the current CIR you oppose or you oppose any CIR? You're right, this immigration system is broken. Something needs to be done. If you're against any CIR, then you're pretty much indirectly admitting that nothing should be fixed. Do you think it's realistic to wound up all the illegal immigrants and deport them out? All 8+ million or so? That's a heavy burden on the taxpayer money and simply, impossible to do.

I came here when I was 7. My family went through the green card process. We went to the green card interview. We got denied. We appealed. Never heard back. Still technically "pending" 10+ years later. Do you know how difficult the immigration process is?

I'm pretty sure I'm not going to change your mind nor will you change mine. If you oppose this CIR, what should it be then? If you oppose any CIR, then you're basically not looking to fix this.

I kinda want to reply Enough but his post sound the same as the ones we read on Washington post. And you cannot reason with these people at all.

The problem doesn't lie with CIR,it's the solution that must be addressed in a humane matter amongst our Congressman.There is no way one huge bill will get thru congress...If both parties could stop bickering long enough to come up with a solution to this problem,we won't be here in 10 years. After all this is America one of the most capitalistic countries around where everyone feels that your dreams can come true. I don't agree that for a decent wage and benefits Americans will do those jobs, America has become dependent on cheap labor,A lot of those employers won't even seek an American worker, Why all the push for Tech workers,You honestly think its because there is a shortage of skilled labor in this country...Um I think not,but I do believe that a company would rather pay a foreign worker less than an American worker. African Americans received there rights from a Civil war in the USA nothing was giving to them,and the rest was through protest and laws being changed.

[quote=Pianoswithoutfaith;537398]I kinda want to reply Enough but his post sound the same as the ones we read on Washington post. And you cannot reason with these people at all.[/QUOTE

It's not about these people,These people are Americans who feel that they are being bombarded by foreigners,they same way they feel about Blacks,Gays and anything else that doesn't conform to this white anglo nation called America,they all forget that there ancestors immigrated here.If the right group gets upset over this Steve King fiasco no body is going to touch immigration no matter who gets unseated in congress!! Its more of Enough's out there that can begin to raise all types of problems for the undocumented. CIR is an issue like no other, how do you begin to send 11million + back home? You can't you come up with a solution that can be carried out and implemented. Enough has a heart when it comes to DREAMERS as do most americans,but the truth of the matter is no other country would even care that much about a DREAMER or undocumented adults they would be shipped back home ASAP ..

And is what makes the US different from those countries.

Yes it does " God Bless America"