The Obama Administration's Missteps in Issuing and Defending the DAPA/DACA Programs - - Page 5

Omg, I just died. How do people go from reading a *legal* article from the very, very, left-leaning Center for Human Rights, and specifically from Peter Schey, to misrepresenting and ranting that the mistakes made in the lead up to the implementation of DACAx and DAPA are inconsequential.

Wow. I think Peter Schey needs to read this...

Also for the trolls who come out en masse to attack any who criticize the disruption of lives and families by the administration: good luck trying to enforce unnecessary censorship. Some here have some Republican values - not me - but, that's ALWAYS okay, because they are free to have them. Most immigrants have a mix of liberal and conservatives values.

Good Lord.

This is a very black and white issue from our point of view. Republicans at best want us to self deport and at worst want dragged out of our homes a d anybody crossing g the border to get shot on sight. Democrats have been slow to act and its been kind of half assed but at least they support reform if they aren't in a position to lose a tight election.

Out of those two realities, which do you support? This isn't a wish for unlimited wishes or an exercise in logical and idealistic gymnastics. This is the reality. Do you really think Any republican will help us? The answer should be a big fat no or you lose any credibility. So that leaves the Democrats as the only chance, as half-assed as it may be that we have. Given that very black and white reality, our biggest focus should be on supporting them. Any whining about how they were slow to act etc is just wasted energy and does nothing. We are in a desert dying of thirst and hunger so we can't be too picky about drinking high fructose corn syrup. There will come a time when we will have our say - our FULL say but for now, it's support Democrats or shut the hell up time. There is no gray area. We are a digital bit with only two states.

By your logic, no one should have pushed for deferred action relief until the administration said they "could" (read: willing to do it); we should have just shut up and waited until given the go ahead. A lot of good that's done to Texas, all right.

Democracy doesn't work like that.

I'm just trying to see if you even have a point to make. This entire thread has turned into people liking to hear themselves talk. Again, what's your solution? I get it you're too cool to like Obama even though you're enjoying DACA. I'm not asking for theories or idealist answers. What's your real answer?

Why are you bringing Texas into this? Texas is in the mess it's in because Latinos are too lazy to go vote or if they do, act like you end end up voting Republican. So again, if not Obama or Hillary, who do you support? You don't get to make up an imaginary candidate who has no shot of getting elected.

brb, I need more popcorn.

1. I don't have DACA
2. I don't dislike Obama; but, he's responsible for breaking up countless families, bankrupting ppl by prosecuting them for deportation simply based in lack of status vs. criminal behavior, and perpetuating incarceration of women and children escaping violence. I do believe he's sincere that he wants to help; he tends to back from doing so on so many fronts though.
3. I've never been to TX, so I cannot vouch for "Latino" voting behavior, but as I am Hispanic/Latino, I can tell you, most were socially liberal, fiscally conservative. Now, most are quite progressive, and becoming more so as time passes by.
4. I am not a voter. But, I support progressive goals and even more, progressive accomplishments. I hope and will work to support a good, progressive candidate, and if Hillary becomes that, great! The so-called imaginary, little-known candidate may recall someone called Barack Obama eight years ago. Again, who knows?
5. I don't owe you an explanation for my opinions. You can easily ignore my posts if you dislike reading them.

You're not dacafied either? Damn, that sucks. Our time is coming. I can feel the force, it is right around the corner.

I think there are things the Obama administration as well as democrats could have done to improve the immigration situation. There's no shame in being critical. Although some on this forum think we should take scaps whenever given to us it doesn't mean we need to surrender our voice to get them. In fact, the more times we have been vocal about what scaps we're getting the better the scaps have become. Sorry about the analogy.

With that said, Repubs have done nothing for the immigrant community. And if you've been following the news some repub presidential hopefuls have even attacked legal immigration. This is insane. It always baffles me to hear people say that hispanics share more values with repubs than democrats. As if repubs have a monopoly of patent on family, god, and freedom. I have to tell you I would never support or encourage anyone to support a party that is in favor of tearing families apart, demanding you have children that you cannot afford only to shame you for receiving helping, believes that the rich will cure all if we just let them have a little more money in their pockets, and that guns are a sacred right that should be protected at all cost. I mean there is more, but seriously....anyone who wants to share values with the likes of cruz, s. king, gohmert, sessions is fine with me, but no value is worth sharing with people who literally see you as something sub human.

1. OK, fine you, but you can't name another President since 1986 who has helped as many people.
2. People who cross the border take a risk. Part of that risk is getting caught and deported. If you look at the number, you can see that many of the deported in RECENT years have not been all that innocent and were caught as part of other crimes.
3. You seem pretty hell-bent on Texas so I thought you were an expert.
4. This doesn't answer the question of who else you support if not Obama. The choices we had were McCain or Obama. Did you think McCain and Palin were going to fix immigration? No? then we got the best of the two. Then the choice was Romney and Obama. Did you think Romney was better for immigration? No? Then we got the best of the two. There was no magical unicorn candidate that will do what you want.
5. Yeah you kind of do when you come here and post them. It's kind of the whole point of this forum. That's a copout answer.

Well of course, in hindsight, a lot of things could have been done for immigration IF that was their biggest priority, but we will never have a president that can be elected if he ran on "immigrants are first" platform. He won't even get to the primaries.