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Democrats blocked from including immigration reform in spending bill - Page 2

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Let's be honest that this guy who wrote in on reddit is spot on:

Do any of you actually believe they didn’t know this would happen ahead of time? Why was Pelosi asking republicans to pass the Dream act during reconciliation talks if she was confident. Why was Biden trying for “fortify” DACA. Why was Durbin saying he would continue to try and protect dreamers. They all knew and lied to us for 3 months.
I dont understand this level of thinking, what is it accomplishing for us to hate democrats? to side with republicans who have never offered anything worth wishing for?

If i have to side with one or the other, itll be with the people who arent working towards putting in place policies that risk my family being deported.
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I dont understand this level of thinking, what is it accomplishing for us to hate democrats? to side with republicans who have never offered anything worth wishing for?

If i have to side with one or the other, itll be with the people who arent working towards putting in place policies that risk my family being deported.
Yeah I don't get the hate on Democrats. It feels like we're in an abusive relationship where our father (Republicans) keeps beating us up and our mom tries to protect us but we know we can't yell at our dad so we take it out on our mom even though she's just as helpless.

Kind of a dark analogy I know.
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Looks like they are going with the third option, and sending her an alternate proposal...whatever that is...

I would say it is impossible to get 60 votes on any immigration proposal in the Senate.
So according to the Parliamentarian, the republicans in 2005 used Reconciliation to write laws about visas and they were allowed because it was "bipartisan". Then isn't DACA & TPS also "bipartisan" as many polls have shown it to be so? If the polls are not enough, how is "bipartisan" defined? 1 Democrat and 1 Republican need to support it? So the question here is how is "bipartisan" defined, according to her. Is it just some arbitrary conditions she made up? Dems need to know this before another proposal is sent. Otherwise she'll just reject it again and come up with even more reasons that doesn't have to do with the Byrd rule. As someone has pointed out, bipartisanship is not required by the Byrd rule and that's the only rule she has any saying in.

With this ruling, she has set a precedent that not only does it have to abide by the Byrd rule, it also must be "bipartisan" and she has not defined to what degree of "bipartisan" it needs to be because if you have full "bipartisan"ship, that means you have 100-0 vote. So why would you even need Reconciliation in the first place? It makes no sense.

How is someone able to create new rules that they define as they see fit (arbitrary in nature and not clearly defined), have that rule be added to the list of requirements (without anyone else approving it) for bills, and use said rule to reject bills? How are the republicans ok with this? I am really confused.
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its chalked.. it is what it is.
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Yeah I don't get the hate on Democrats. It feels like we're in an abusive relationship where our father (Republicans) keeps beating us up and our mom tries to protect us but we know we can't yell at our dad so we take it out on our mom even though she's just as helpless.

Kind of a dark analogy I know.
Fyi…progressives hate on Democrats as well..,
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You guys were not realist. This was never going to get approved through reconciliation. You could argue any issue has budgetary implications. But those issues are addressed through legislation.

I keep saying only way DACA will ever turn into green cards is if Dems get 10 republicans or they win the house, senate with 2-3 more Dems. End the filibuster and pass it that way.
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sucks, bro. feels bad man.
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Idk why anyone is surprised. This is exactly what the Democrats wanted and will say “we tried”.
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Well on the bright side. If no immigration provisions then I really couldn't care less on this whole social spending bill.

Manchin can kill the whole bill now for all I care.
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Idk why anyone is surprised. This is exactly what the Democrats wanted and will say “we tried”.
So what now? We should (help) elect republicans? Would that make it better?
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