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No More AB540?

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01-12-2008, 11:09 PM
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More idiots trying to repeal in state tuition. It's like they have a hive mind.

http://www.californiachronicle.com/a...rticleID=48870

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DeVore bill ends illegal immigrant college subsidy costing $117 million a year

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California Political Desk
January 12, 2008
BILL REPEALS ILLEGAL IMMIGRANT TUITION BENEFIT WHILE PROVIDING FREE COLLEGE FOR CALIFORNIA NATIONAL GUARD MEMBERS.

Irvine, Calif. – In an effort to bolster membership and retention in the California National Guard, Assemblyman Chuck DeVore (R-Irvine) is proposing an education assistance program that would provide members of the Guard free tuition at state colleges and universities. Assembly Bill 1758: the California National Guard Tuition Assistance Bill was submitted to the Assembly this week.
Despite being the most called upon, California ranks last in the nation in education assistance for National Guard members. California is also the only state that does not provide free tuition to its Guard. In recent years, the Guard has been faced with retention and recruitment declines that experts blame on California’s lack of available benefits.


“California is way behind the ball on this issue,” said Assemblyman DeVore. “Whether it is being called up to serve in Iraq, Afghanistan, or called to protect citizens from raging wildfires, California consistently depends on its citizen soldiers for national security and community assistance.”
This legislation would also repeal AB 540 (Firebaugh), a law passed in 2001 that allowed undocumented immigrant students an exemption from nonresident tuition fees. Texas granted illegal immigrants in-state tuition benefits the same year, seeing a 433 percent increase in illegal immigrants using the college subsidy, going from 1,500 students in 2001 to 8,000 in 2004. This cost the Texans millions of tax dollars.
In comparison, California likely has more than double the number of illegal immigrants enrolled in state colleges and universities than Texas. According to a recent Legislative Analysis Office report, there are up to 20,000 immigrant students in California receiving waivers from the state for tuition, both legal and illegal. The report said that about 90 percent of the immigrant students in California’s Community College system alone are undocumented. This means that there could be as many as 18,000 illegal immigrants enrolled in California State University, University of California and community colleges receiving heavily subsidized in-state tuition rates at the cost to the taxpayer of about $117 million per year.
Since the cost to provide free college tuition for California’s Guard members would be no more than $3 million per year, AB 1758 has the potential to save taxpayers up to $114 million per year – a substantial sum of money in a state with a $14.5 billion deficit.
“We have got to reverse the trend in California that rewards illegal immigrants and ignores our own citizen’s needs,” said Assemblyman DeVore. “Repealing taxpayer funded benefits to illegal immigrants frees up millions of dollars to provide much needed benefits to our men and women in uniform, and at the same reduces the size of government.”
AB 1758 will first be heard in the Assembly Higher Education Committee.
These people are morons. 90% of California's community college system are undocumented. Guess what will happen if you repeal AB 540--most of them won't go to college anymore. So what happens when you lose all but 10% of your customer base? I would call that a net loss. You might even go under.


And all of that BS about Texas losing millions of dollars because of in state and financial aid is, as I said, BS. According to the TX comptroller, the state had a net gain in revenue from undocumented immigrants--and that's not even taking into account the fact that many wouldn't attend if it weren't for in state and financial aid. Also, (there's more) all of these stats about "undocumented immigrants" aren't really just about undocumented immigrants, but ALL immigrants who are neither permanent residents nor citizens.
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01-12-2008, 11:56 PM
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omg this people are retarded!! .. this thing better not go through.. AGH!! .. soo pissed right now
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01-13-2008, 06:34 AM
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The bright side if it passes it is that hopefully legal citizens/residents of this state/country would appreciate how valuable we are and not for cheap labor but for students persuing education.
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01-13-2008, 07:03 AM
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The governor of California supports AB-540, and I doubt the democratic legislature of California will repeal the the law.
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Damn, I was talking to my mom about the possibility of AB 540 being repealed because of the budget cuts and we laughed about how the law is still in effect, and that despite of the budget cuts, things were still good... Not so, apparently. Damn Republicans! I hope this doesn't go through but I don't know... The cut is huge and I wouldn't be surprised if the assembly decides to go through with this ridiculous law.
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The bright side if it passes it is that hopefully legal citizens/residents of this state/country would appreciate how valuable we are and not for cheap labor but for students persuing education.
Us going to school is better than us being out on the streets joining gangs and committing crimes. These people should know that...
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Let them figure out the hard way about what that will do...

That we are taking seats away from other students? Please! I know many citizens who don't even give a crap about going onto college...
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Omg Noooo.
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That we are taking seats away from other students? Please! I know many citizens who don't even give a crap about going onto college...
I know! It pisses me off when I see my cousins who are LPRs and USCs take a class here and there and then give up...
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Yeah this is very sad. A bill was brought up in texas last year that would have repealed ours also, but they amended it and basically killed it quick. Then again Texas has a big surplus and doesnt have that guard situation so i dont know.

I dont think people illegal or not should be denied the chances of going to college.
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