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AZ wants to end birthright citizenship - Page 3

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I'm sure one of the reasons they are doing this is because people love to take advantage of it. I read an article from yahoo about a month ago or so, about immigrants from let's say Turkey, that come to this country just to give birth to their babies and then go back to their country.

In my opinion, it just annoys me seeing so many hispanics (i'm hispanic not being racist) having so many damn babies. I swear, whenever I take the bus to go to college, I see girls in their 20s or even young...hell, any age get in with like 3 or so little kids or babies. It's so annoying, I see where they get the sterotype of us being "baby making machines."
That's because Hispanics have a tendency to KEEP their babies.....something having to do with Catholicism

I can't believe anyone in our status would bitch about the "anchor baby''' situation when it's virtually impossible to get citizenship any other way. Unless you marry for "love", being born again is the only way for us.
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I'm sure most countries have that law...but we can't be confident that thats the case in every country. There's different laws everywhere.
Not necessarily. Australia doesn't have the same law...child born there isn't automatically citizen if his/her parents aren't. My cousin had to go thru some application process because my aunt wasn't a citizen when she gave birth to him.
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That's because Hispanics have a tendency to KEEP their babies.....something having to do with Catholicism

I can't believe anyone in our status would bitch about the "anchor baby''' situation when it's virtually impossible to get citizenship any other way. Unless you marry for "love", being born again is the only way for us.
What shitty arguments, emotions and religion as excuses. If you aren't economically solvent having children should be out of the question, it's just plain selfish. Just because we are undocumented immigrants it doesn't mean some of us have to sympathize with other people who purposely exploit government programs. While wealthy nations have a moral responsibility for helping out disadvantaged governments, they are not obligated to take care of foreigners. Whoever disagrees with this is just intolerant. I'd love to hear the personal views of your grandchildren about illegal immigration, anchor babies, etc.
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This bill wouldn't pass and even if it did pass it would surely be struck down by the Supreme Court. It's so obviously unconstitutional, I mean how in the world are you going to propose a law that deals with a federal issue through a state process? Arizona is going to be the only state that won't recognize U.S. Citizens that have undocumented parents? That's ridiculous.

Not to mention that it conflicts with the 14th amendment, as stated previously.
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What shitty arguments, emotions and religion as excuses. If you aren't economically solvent having children should be out of the question, it's just plain selfish. Just because we are undocumented immigrants it doesn't mean some of us have to sympathize with other people who purposely exploit government programs. While wealthy nations have a moral responsibility for helping out disadvantaged governments, they are not obligated to take care of foreigners. Whoever disagrees with this is just intolerant. I'd love to hear the personal views of your grandchildren about illegal immigration, anchor babies, etc.
So you are telling me I should be simpathetic to your or my plight for citizenship yet be appalled by someone in a similar situation who happens to want something better for the future of their kid? Check the "h" section in the dictionary and follow it with y-p-o-c-r-i-t-i-c

Let it be known that i've known my share of anchor babies and families w/anchor babies. Not one of them had their kid as a ploy to gain their own status, but decided to have the kid they were expecting here for the future that entailed.
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So you are telling me I should be simpathetic to your or my plight for citizenship yet be appalled by someone in a similar situation who happens to want something better for the future of their kid? Check the "h" section in the dictionary and follow it with y-p-o-c-r-i-t-i-c

Let it be known that i've known my share of anchor babies and families w/anchor babies. Not one of them had their kid as a ploy to gain their own status, but decided to have the kid they were expecting here for the future that entailed.
You are asking another nation to take care of your offspring while you as a parent have no cultural/legal connection with the country (btw my mother is a citizen and my sister is a permanent resident). My argument isn't about undocumented immigrants legalizing through their children, it is about people purposely coming over to give birth here so their children can benefit from programs that these people have no right to make use of since they aren't legal residents of this nation. We have no right to be here, all of a sudden we pay taxes and we expect to receive full social benefits, and then we whine if we get no support? Now that's messed up, Americans are right to complain about this.

Fix the border, filter out actual undocumented criminals and legalize those who are already here, punish employers who further employ undocumented immigrants, bring hell to those who defy the law, and change the birth laws.

Fuck my country for not being capable of sustaining their citizens and fuck Calderon for not having shame and washing his hands off when confronted with a problem that the US in reality has to solve all by itself.
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You are asking another nation to take care of your offspring while you as a parent have no cultural/legal connection with the country (btw my mother is a citizen and my sister is a permanent resident). My argument isn't about undocumented immigrants legalizing through their children, it is about people purposely coming over to give birth here so their children can benefit from programs that these people have no right to make use of since they aren't legal residents of this nation. We have no right to be here, all of a sudden we pay taxes and we expect to receive full social benefits, and then we whine if we get no support? Now that's messed up, Americans are right to complain about this.

Fix the border, filter out actual undocumented criminals and legalize those who are already here, punish employers who further employ undocumented immigrants, bring hell to those who defy the law, and change the birth laws.

Fuck my country for not being capable of sustaining their citizens and fuck Calderon for not having shame and washing his hands off when confronted with a problem that the US in reality has to solve all by itself.
I would agree with Banished on this one. Legal or illegal; a child is supposed to be made once the family is sure that they can raise it well. We all love kids, but I wouldn't make 4+ little bastards of I couldn't raise them. And this goes for the black families in the projects that love to fuck and don't put a rubber... plus not knowing who baby daddy is... also goes for the Jews who have 7 kids for their religion and then pay no taxes... America been abused by all walks of life... but when the undocumented do it; it hits the fan worse since they already a target to begin with...

that's why I am more for DA than for CIR. A child is supposed to be raised with the attention of the parents, I have my puerto rican lowlives here next door that have 5 kids and counting... and are on unemployment based on a dissability b/c they are fat fucks..

and this goes for those idiotic people who i see on the news that fight for the DA, stupid ass emotional arguments; if you get the chance to go on t.v and represent us, you better bring some good arguments... the "they haven't been in their country since 2" argument just doesn't fly.

i don't like to label anyone, a green card is a piece of paper.. what the person does in the u.s and how they act is the true green card to me...
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My opinion probably won't go over too well on this forum, but here it goes.

1. Children of illegal immigrants are not explicitly US citizens by law

2. The Arizona law is not unconstitutional because the Supreme Court has never ruled on whether children of illegal immigrants are US citizens

3. Birthright citizenship is a bad policy and there are a number of countries which do not have jus soli citizenship policies

1 -- First of all, the basis for jus soli citizenship in the US comes from the 14th Amendment. Before that, the US did not have "birthright citizenship." It was passed to grant citizenship to freed slaves during reconstruction. It was not meant to extend citizenship to foreigners who happened to be on US soil at the time they popped a baby out:

"This will not, of course, include persons born in the United States who are foreigners, aliens, who belong to the family of ambassadors, or foreign ministers accredited to the the Government of the United States, but will include every other class of persons."

2 -- The claim that children of illegal immigrants are US citizens supposedly comes from United States v. Wong Kim Ark. Except, the ruling dealt with the children of parents who were in the US legally. Coming into the US illegally is a crime -- a federal misdemeanor and in some cases a felony.

3 - As others have pointed out, many countries do not have pure jus soli citizenship (a quick search found China, Germany, Finland, Greece, India, Japan...). In fact, the US is rather alone among first-world westernized countries in its rigid interpretation with the exception of Canada. Jus soli incentivises illegal immigration -- it essentially tells individuals in Mexico and elsewhere that if they commit a misdemeanor by entering the US illegally, they will be rewarded with first-rate medical care, ultimately paid for by American tax payers, and the child will be given American citizenship to boot. Unless you're truly of the belief that America does not have the right to enforce its soverign borders, I don't see how anyone could believe its in AMERICA's interest to have such a policy.
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troll? don't worry about this for a second. even the roberts court will strike this down either on its merits or simply because this a federal question. i am soo confident that i would give them this to make them feel good and to give us DREAM.

and i don't think other countries (mot) would consider "anchor babies" as illegals, but would more like residents.
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Jut cut off the availability to social programs for legal, undocumented and citizens as whole i.e. welfare and unemployment . Welfare, unemployment and related programs encourage dependence on the government. These tax resources would be much beneficial to society if reallocated to education, higher education access programs, infrastructure and in the health care as recently reformed. This assures we have a healthy and educated population whose only way to survive is through work and school, for anyone in the U.S. Stop spoon feeding people.

Help people with healthcare but hold them responsible to put food on their table for their family. If your family is too big it sounds like a personal problem and should not hold the government accountable for your own choices. I say let them keep the birth citizenship but that's about it, again only make education and healthcare available and take away welfare services. If someone decides to have more than one citizen child let them worry about feeding and clothing them. Exploitation of the welfare system is one major argument against immigrants and Hispanics, take that issue out of the equation but for everyone in the U.S. No one likes the fruits of their work going towards the benefits of a noncontributing individuals regardless of race or legal status. I don't like my taxes going to my citizen high school classmate with 4 kids' unemployment.

This is just my opinion, I hate people who are irresponsible and milk the system regardless of race or status. I have my own kid to take care of now and even with my income I am weary of the costs this entails. One thing I remember from my childhood is my grandpa telling a street beggar to step out the way and get a job as we walked the street; he said people should be held accountable for their own welfare. He dropped out of school in Mexico in the sixth grade to work and help his family, had 10 kids of his own yet never asked for government assistance (don't even know if such were/are available in Mexico besides education healthcare if you work).

One unrelated question for Californians; why is it that California in-state tuition is so much higher than Texas yet Texas does not have a state tax?
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