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i just mandatory military service i guess they wanna see if we are really patriotic

How does absolutely no financial aid or work study sound?

Oh yea, and to keep reaplying for the visa we must have completed the requirements of community service, college/military in the first five years without any exceptions.

Touchback maybe? Although I really don't like the idea.

So take away any kind of monetary help, up the college requirements, and limit the time period? Yeah, I'd like to see some people actually qualify for Dream.

Touchback might not be so bad, but that depends on what country you're from. Some people can't go back at all.

I love you(no homo) . No one has any objection to the 15 year or younger entry age so i'd advise we don't touch it. If anybody touches it i'll be joining alicrap. j/k

As a citizen born in the US from 2 us parents... (my adopted hispanic daughters call us "gringo pradres".. that's why I used that term)

I am fighting for the DREAM ACT for all the KIDS who had NO choice. ... but your partents did.
NO LAW BREAKERS should be able to get visa's or greencards or citizenship.. and unfortunalty, most of the parents who brought you here are law breakers.
Since you were minors and did not make the decision to come here.. you are not law breakers.

Come here before 15, graduate, go to some college, don't break the law once... then you should be able to stay here legally. WE WANT YOUR TYPE!!

But those failouts, law breaking, losers (illegal or us citizens...) kick them out!

adopt4... I agree with you... DREAM is understandble the way it stands now.... maybe not too permeable...
... but the problem is not the bill itself...

Exactly!

This bill as it is right now was never given a chance by half of those who opposed it/us. No matter how we change the language, those who oppose us/it will still view it under the same guise of amnesty.

If you were listening to the comments yesterday you would have noticed that not one point was raised specifically against dream.

But it might at least appease some of the senators that aren't racist hicks.

I think I'd also die if we couldn't get financial aid because I want to go to law school. It's hard enough for people that are legal to pay for their education. Maybe we can eliminate financial aid for undergrad only.

I think while some changes - particularly permenent legal residency as oppossed to citizenship - and community service and/or a fine - might benefit the public image some -- I think you need to be careful that you aren't going to carve out so narrow a bill that it covers a very small handfull of people. That would seem to defeat the entire principle of DREAM. If you carve it down to where only the people who have either a huge very large of family/financial support and/or are the exceptionally intelligent/determined individuals you guys are.........well I think you would be missing the point. For example - needing to have a masters degree ? how realistic is that for most people - not just DREAM people, but anyone ?

Also I think you might do well to look at what is happening with the childrens health care bills right now...... tons of compromises, lots of groveling, lots of lies and misinformation put out by the people against it ---- and still it doesn't get an override. And that is a much more popular measure. Or virtually any other measure put out in the last 5 years. Dems put out something modest - the fanatics on the right lie and distort to get their base riled up and mislead the majority who don't pay attention - dems are polite - get steamrolled - try to compromise - more steamrolling - the end. We know about the lies put out about DREAM because it is what we care about. Most people don't.

I think there are solid, strong reasons why conservatives, liberals and moderates would support the basics of DREAM - they just didn't hear them over the noise of the fanatics.

Revolution! Seriously! Let's do it, guys! We're a massive group of people! Calling wont help! Let's all march up to DC! They can't stop us if we're thousands, millions, and we stick together.

That will never happen though, as many are scared to death. It's sad really.

But we should do more than just calling =/ Lets like... starve in front of Congress or some shit... threaten to kill ourselves, wear shirts that say "A Message to the World: The US treats us like slaves, and each day we fear for our lives and dreams. Is this democracy?" just to ruin their reputation around the world a bit more, so maybe they'll shit their pants, and finally do a thing about us!