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IamAman · 07-15-2015, 11:14 PM

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Originally Posted by 2Face

Yeah I know man! It's unbelievable how those people in the past not only listened to but voted for dirty Republicans like Lincoln and Reagan. Telling you man. What a phase those people were going through.

Sorry, didn't mean to offend any Lincoln era Republicans in the audience. When using the term Republican today, we're implying that they are conservatives.

In the 1860's, the Republicans were the newer party, had control of the northern states, and and were made up of a lot of Whigs so they were the progressive party, but in the 1930's with FDR, they started switching sides (actually Teddy was the one who switched to Republican first and started being more conservative and FDR stayed with the Democrats).

The exception was in the Deep South but that started to change too when Lyndon Johnson started cutting ties with the Southern whites.

I'm not sure why you brought in Reagan. Reagan was very cruel towards the poor and anybody who might depend on government. He often gave speeches against social security and the sharing of wealth. The Amnesty of 1986 was never his idea but something that he was eventually convinced of signing.

legendver2 · 07-17-2015, 03:34 PM

So Trump is surging way up in polls, right behind Jeb Bush now, while Hillary has a dip, although she's still far ahead of Sanders. This is making me antsy.

IamAman · 07-17-2015, 10:57 PM

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Originally Posted by legendver2

So Trump is surging way up in polls, right behind Jeb Bush now, while Hillary has a dip, although she's still far ahead of Sanders. This is making me antsy.

Trump has NO shot of getting the nomination, much less winning the election. Sleep easy my friend.

Demise · 07:02 PM

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Originally Posted by IamAman

Trump has NO shot of getting the nomination, much less winning the election. Sleep easy my friend.

This. At worst he might snag a state or two same how the Jebus of Libertarianism did last election.

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Originally Posted by legendver2

So Trump is surging way up in polls, right behind Jeb Bush now, while Hillary has a dip, although she's still far ahead of Sanders. This is making me antsy.

Hillary rubs me the wrong way. I don't know why. Sanders supports immigration reform mainly due to the fact he needs that to get the nomination.
I feel like we'll get 4 more years of Obama in either case. Lots of promises little being done.

legendver2 · 07-27-2015, 05:05 PM

So now Trump is back on the amnesty wagon from years ago:

http://www.frontpagemag.com/point/25...iel-greenfield

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Disappointing, but not surprising.

The depressing reality though that is that most of the Republican field has endorsed amnesty in one form or another. So this isn't much of a surprise. Trump is using his own vocabulary, but he's echoing the same amnesty talking points you could hear from Marco Rubio... or Barack Obama.

During Friday's interview, Trump said the U.S. should take a two-step approach to the 11 million undocumented immigrants currently living in the country.

"Well, the first thing we do is take the bad ones — of which there are, unfortunately, quite a few," said Trump, who owns three New Jersey golf courses and once owned three Atlantic City casinos. "We take the bad ones and get 'em the hell out. We get 'em out."

But he said the country should take a different approach with "the other ones" — i.e., undocumented immigrants who have "done a good job" since arriving in the U.S.

"I'm a very big believer in the merit system," Trump said. "I have to tell you: Some of these people have been here, they've done a good job. You know, in some cases, sadly, they've been living under the shadows. ... If somebody's been outstanding, we try and work something out.

"But before we do anything, we have to secure the border because the border is like having no border," he added.

I'm sure some people will be tempted to cheer this, but compare it to Obama's own amnesty executive order.

These executive actions crack down on illegal immigration at the border, prioritize deporting felons not families, and require certain undocumented immigrants to pass a criminal background check and pay their fair share of taxes as they register to temporarily stay in the U.S. without fear of deportation.

Cracking Down on Illegal Immigration at the Border: The President’s actions increase the chances that anyone attempting to cross the border illegally will be caught and sent back. Continuing the surge of resources that effectively reduced the number of unaccompanied children crossing the border illegally this summer, the President’s actions will also centralize border security command-and-control to continue to crack down on illegal immigration.

Deporting Felons, Not Families: The President’s actions focus on the deportation of people who threaten national security and public safety. He has directed immigration enforcement to place anyone suspected of terrorism, violent criminals, gang members, and recent border crossers at the top of the deportation priority list.

Deporting the "bad people" first is already an Obama talking point. People may think they can trust Trump, but not Obama or any of the Republicans, but like them, Trump frontloaded rhetoric about enforcement while keeping the amnesty out back.

And "secure the border first" has been the talking point of every Republican amnesty proponent.

Marco Rubio still supports legal status and a slow road to citizenship for millions of undocumented immigrants, but now says the government must convince Americans the border is secure before taking those steps.

Trump had already indicated support for amnesty earlier, now he's being clearer about it.

This is in line with what CNN’s Chris Moody reported Trump saying during a press conference in Chicago at the end of June. When asked what he would do about the illegal immigrants already residing in the country once the border was secured, Trump replied, “give them a path,” according to Moody.

When The Daily Caller sought clarification at the time from the Trump campaign, a senior adviser replied with a circuitous answer that emphasized that Trump wanted to secure the border and didn’t believe in “amnesty,” but wouldn’t explicitly reject a pathway to legalization.

Nobody likes the A-word, including Rubio and Ryan who spent the better part of a year arguing that legalizing illegal aliens isn't amnesty if they have to pay a fine. Even Obama made that argument.

The next step would be to get Trump to lay out criteria for who gets to stay and how many of them it would apply to, but good luck getting an answer.

What do you guys make of this?

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