More details leak out, re the Senate immigration bill:

bigdreamer2010 · 04-12-2013, 10:53 AM

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/04/12/us...=politics&_r=0

This is definitely no amnesty. So basically a person gets the 10 year provisional status but after that they will have to apply for a green card. The only problem is that you will be applying for a merit based green card and there's only 138k of them being offered a year. Therefore there is no guarantee that after the 10 years a person will get their permanent residency.

So what happens after the 10 year period? Can the person stay in the provisional status (i.e. second class citizen) until they are able to get a green card (if they even ever become eligible for the merit based) or will their provisional status be revoked and they go back to their old status and are presumably deported because of the enhanced enforcement system?

This article is a little confusing though. The Title says "house democrats present immigration overhaul" but the entire article focuses on the Senate's bill. Nevertheless, either way it goes, its a tough bill. Very tough. I still haven't found anything on the dream act so we'll just have to wait for Tuesday or Wednesday.

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WASHINGTON — The sweeping immigration bill that a bipartisan group of senators is preparing will include a major new merit-based program for foreigners to become permanent legal residents based on their work skills, including both high-skilled and blue-collar workers, according to people familiar with a draft of the legislation.

But the bill will also include a host of measures to eliminate, over 10 years, a backlog of 4.7 million immigrants who have applied to come here legally and have been languishing in the system, waiting for permanent resident visas known as green cards. As a result, during the next decade, millions of immigrants who have been waiting patiently for legal documents will be united with their family members here.

The bill, an intricate combination of many interlocking parts, also provides a path to citizenship for an estimated 11 million immigrants living in the country illegally. Under the plan, those immigrants would wait at least 13 years before they could apply to become citizens.

The eight senators who are drafting the legislation, including Charles E. Schumer of New York, a Democrat, and Lindsey Graham of South Carolina, a Republican, said this week that they had reached broad agreement on its major pieces and hoped to present it early next week.

Mr. Schumer said Thursday that all issues among the senators had been resolved. “All that’s left is the drafting,” he said.

At the crux of the legislation is an effort to bridge the gap between Democrats, who strongly support and are seeking to protect family immigration, and Republicans, who are eager to move immigration toward a system based on work skills that foreigners bring to the United States.

The senators are under pressure to move quickly to introduce the bill. Senator Patrick J. Leahy of Vermont, a Democrat who is chairman of the Senate Judiciary Committee, has scheduled a hearing for next Wednesday. This week, tens of thousands of immigrants and their supporters rallied Wednesday on the lawn of the Capitol, calling for a path to citizenship for all illegal immigrants in the country and urging Congress to move swiftly.

One major goal of the bill is to put immigrants who have been living in the country illegally at “the back of the line” behind immigrants who made every effort to follow the rules, so that no one here illegally would become legal residents or citizens until those already in the system have the chance to do so.

Also, at the insistence of Republicans — particularly Senator Marco Rubio of Florida, another member of the bipartisan group — the bill also avoids giving illegal immigrants a separate pathway to citizenship. Under the proposal, no new green cards would be created in the future exclusively for them.

Instead, in a novel compromise worked out in hard-fought negotiations, immigrants who had been here illegally would gain a provisional legal status in which they would remain for at least 10 years. They could work legally and travel, but they would not become permanent residents.

During the first decade, the aim is to clear backlogs. Then, formerly illegal immigrants could apply for merit-based green cards, along with many other foreigners applying legally. After three years with a green card, the formerly illegal immigrants would be eligible to apply to become American citizens.

Some Senate staff members stressed that the final draft of the bill is not complete, and that many details could change, although not the broad outlines and goals.

Among proposals to reduce backlogs is a plan to accelerate green card applications of foreigners living legally in the United States who have been waiting to receive their documents for 10 years or more.

Any immigrants who have been working legally in this country for 10 years would also move rapidly to receive green cards, either through the current system or later through the new merit system.

The plan would also free up additional green cards by eliminating a category of foreigners who are now eligible for those visas: siblings of United States citizens.

The bill would also remove annual limits on the number of green cards for a different category, spouses and minor children of legal permanent residents. The senators estimate that 800,000 immediate family members will move through the backlog and gain green cards over the next decade as a result of that change.

At the end of 10 years, the bill would create a program offering 138,000 merit-based visas each year to foreigners based on their work skills, but also on other considerations including family ties. Green cards will be offered to workers in three categories: high-skilled foreigners in technology and science, employees with a middle range of white collar skills, and low-wage workers. Farmworkers are not included, as they will come under a separate program.

Immigrants who will be eligible for merit green cards would include those formerly here illegally, if they have remained in good standing, learned English and passed other requirements, and remained employed for 10 years.

But other migrants would be eligible for those green cards as well, including agricultural guest workers who had been legally employed in this country for 10 years, and other temporary visa holders. There would be no special, dedicated path to citizenship for immigrants who had once lived in the country illegally.

Sonawabich · 04-12-2013, 11:13 AM

That is tough but acceptable.

JJ Glo · 04-12-2013, 11:33 AM

Wait, what?

10 years of basically having an EAD?

I know there are still more details but hopefully this isn't the same for everyone. Especially those who already have an SSN from a prior status and have been here for 10+ years.

Severity · 04-12-2013, 11:55 AM

Tough and stupid if I look at it right. Wouldn't it take around 80 years for everyone to get green cards? That's only taking into consideration people already here. Obviously the right way to deal with the backlog is to do nothing about it and add more to it. A broken system needs to be fixed... not strained.
There HAS to be more to this bill.

Ianus · 11:59 AM

Wow,They are basically copying an iteration of UK immigration law.I wonder if they will implement the 14 year rule as well,lol? In addition,I'm surprised no one was upset that it seems the undocumented would have to try and get a green card through the merit based visas which are capped.This doesn't seem to apply to Dreamers or Agjob workers.

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During the first decade, the aim is to clear backlogs. Then, formerly illegal immigrants could apply for merit-based green cards, along with many other foreigners applying legally. After three years with a green card, the formerly illegal immigrants would be eligible to apply to become American citizens.

The work program appears to be how the former undocumented will be able to gain Green cards after the security apparatus is in place.This creates many issues in that there are 11 million people and the new merit program is severely capped.I'll say it again Dreamers should be prepared to be able to apply for their parents.There is practically no difference between the Senate and House immigration bill with regards to general legalization.

Rogue414 · 04-12-2013, 12:04 PM

is it me or I have not seen DA in any of these "proposals" and "outlines" It seems they forgot about us.

Sonawabich · 04-12-2013, 12:06 PM

This is so tough and current undocs might not even get greencards for ever.

I think this bill tries to hand out greencards to those deserving undocs who can go through the merit system, after living in this country for 10 years.

GOP would be crazy not to vote for this.

Severity · 04-12-2013, 12:06 PM

This won't fly, sorry. It just means they get to collect fines and taxes from illegal immigrants that won't live long enough to become citizens. If this is the right information, then they have accomplished nothing, it doesn't fix anything. Even if they increase the cap to 1 million a year, it would still take more than 20 years. 180,000 cap is an insult

Sonawabich · 04-12-2013, 12:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Severity

This won't fly, sorry. It just means they get to collect fines and taxes from illegal immigrants that won't live long enough to become citizens. If this is the right information, then they have accomplished nothing, it doesn't fix anything. Even if they increase the cap to 1 million a year, it would still take more than 20 years. 180,000 cap is an insult

What is interesting is what kind of provisional status current undocs will get. If it allows for work, ssn, and international travel, that is what most need. This bill, no doubt, prefers younger and educated/skilled undocs for merit greencards over older unskilled undocs. If GOP can only swallow this bill then this bill gotta move forward.

Ianus · 04-12-2013, 12:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Severity

This won't fly, sorry. It just means they get to collect fines and taxes from illegal immigrants that won't live long enough to become citizens. If this is the right information, then they have accomplished nothing, it doesn't fix anything. Even if they increase the cap to 1 million a year, it would still take more than 20 years. 180,000 cap is an insult

I agree,IF the information is correct.I don't think this article has the full details concerning the bill and hasn't written it out correctly.It basically states that 11 million people have to go through a maze.........however individuals from outside the country can go through that very same maze as well but it is limited to only so many slots a year.

Technically,if the immigration bill forgives all prior unlawful presence and the undocumented individual has this "provisional status" they could be eligible for adjustment in all work and family visa categories inside the US.

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More details leak out, re the Senate immigration bill: