Reality Check: High Fervor and Energy, but Slim Chance of Passing DA
 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yIPbM...layer_embedded

"Tightening the requirements and narrowing the eligibility pool doesn't seem to change the minds of the senate."

:::sigh::: I'm not a politician and I don't pretend to understand the political process. But even I could have told them that those opposed to the DA isn't opposing it based on reasoned argument. NO AMOUNT of compromise on the DA will change the minds of the nativists.

You can't reason this out with these people. Only way is to shove it down their throats with Democrat majority votes or for Obama to sign EO, which is even less likely.

I can't really blame the Republicans because they will always be who they are: hate mongering, irrational children who think with their nerves. I say this over and over again. Democrats COULD HAVE passed the bill long time ago, as Obama promised he'd tackle immigration in his first year.

I'm not a pessimist. I'm not a nay-sayer. But I do understand reality and also understand that 60 votes is what we need and we are far short of it.

At this point, I am even comtemplating that Republicans use the next Congress to turn the tables around by passing the DA themselves and getting all the Hispanic votes on their side from then on. I'm not loyal to the Democrats. They already broke their promise and used us for their political gain. I'm loyal to whoever will give me an opportunity, even if it's the Republicans.

Re: Reality Check: High Fervor and Energy, but Slim Chance of Passing DA
 

I see you changed your pic from a Mexican male convict to a kind of attracting girl you found from google images lol!

Re: Reality Check: High Fervor and Energy, but Slim Chance of Passing DA
 

i'll take that as a compliment.

Re: Reality Check: High Fervor and Energy, but Slim Chance of Passing DA
 

lol.

I'm looking forward to your next article 1L- I mean anti-DA User.

Re: Reality Check: High Fervor and Energy, but Slim Chance of Passing DA
 

i see people don't yet understand what news means....

Re: Reality Check: High Fervor and Energy, but Slim Chance of Passing DA
 

I bet you were on the "omg DA gonna pass" boat last September.

Re: Reality Check: High Fervor and Energy, but Slim Chance of Passing DA
 

sure was noob

and wasn't it you who started this:

"Dream Act has better chances to pass now than ever before'' Not 2 days ago?
http://dreamact.info/forum/showthread.php?t=18100

Re: Reality Check: High Fervor and Energy, but Slim Chance of Passing DA
 

hahahaha...SERVED!

Re: Reality Check: High Fervor and Energy, but Slim Chance of Passing DA
 

You know, when something costs 1 dollar, and you have 60 cents, then it's still better than 50 cents, but that doesn't mean you can buy it.

I said chances are better than ever before. I never said we had the votes. I clearly said we DONT HAVE THE VOTES.

Re: Reality Check: High Fervor and Energy, but Slim Chance of Passing DA
 

Come on guys lets stay positive, take the BS out of this forums please.

Re: Reality Check: High Fervor and Energy, but Slim Chance of Passing DA
 

Not on that 1st thread you started. It's OK to backtrack buddy. We call it emotional roller-coaster around this neck of the woods.

Re: Reality Check: High Fervor and Energy, but Slim Chance of Passing DA
 

John Kerry and myself: "My opinion changes when facts change"

George Bush and you: "My gut feeling tells me something and I stick to it."

Re: Reality Check: High Fervor and Energy, but Slim Chance of Passing DA
 

If that makes you sleep better at night ok....

Saddest thing is that you're just repeating what I've said in the past. If this shit don't fly, Republicans will use immigration next year to get obama out of office passing either dream attached to agjobs and stem, or just agjobs and stem by itself. Obviously the hispanics are gonna eat it up and not see the irony of it all.

Re: Reality Check: High Fervor and Energy, but Slim Chance of Passing DA
 

your threads are stupid, you youself make no sense 2 days ago you said we could pass it now we cant. Make up your mind. We got like 55-56 votes on the senate and we will see now with the new version whats gonna happen. Stop going around and spreading your negativity. SERIOUSLY.

Re: Reality Check: High Fervor and Energy, but Slim Chance of Passing DA
 

Are you on coke? Even if the DA doesn't pass, we have a better chance of discovering big foot than that actually happening. Republicans = no immigration reform other than build more walls on the border.

Re: Reality Check: High Fervor and Energy, but Slim Chance of Passing DA
 

It fascinates me to no end that some people on this forum actually think Republicans care about the Hispanic vote.

Re: Reality Check: High Fervor and Energy, but Slim Chance of Passing DA
 

Of course they care about the Hispanic vote...it has "vote" in it...politicians are build on votes.

Re: Reality Check: High Fervor and Energy, but Slim Chance of Passing DA
 

Arguing w/historical precedence is pointless in this forum.

Re: Reality Check: High Fervor and Energy, but Slim Chance of Passing DA
 

All that may be true, but what have the Republicans done for Hispanics or Blacks lately? Since civil rights in the 1960s, Republicans deliberately have sought to win the vote of whites in the South by exploiting the latent racism here. More relevant for this forum, they are now stoking hatred toward toward the undocumented--with racist undertones--in their electioneering and rhetoric. This has been the case since 2006/2007, and it gets worse by the day. It is easy to say that Republicans were our advocates years back, but they are currently not. Witness the 2010 gubernatorial election here in Georgia: Nathan Deal actually ran ads deliberately intended to spark fear of Mexicans, with one that went so far as to say Roy Barnes wants to take jobs from Americans and give them to Mexicans, and another that lied to say Barnes tried to make it so illegals could vote.

Democrats don't do this kind of crap, no matter what their other failings are.

Re: Reality Check: High Fervor and Energy, but Slim Chance of Passing DA
 

Since the 60's? They passed the '86 amnesty...in 'o7 bush pushed for dream.... they're currently pushing for Agjobs, and if I'm not mistaken STEM is their bill?

Re: Reality Check: High Fervor and Energy, but Slim Chance of Passing DA
 

Yes, since the 1960s they have deliberately tried to win votes in the South among whites by stoking latent racism. Bush may have pushed DREAM, but where is Republican support now? I know Republicans claim to support Agjobs, but it will go nowhere like the DREAM Act as soon as the racist phalanx within the Republican party start shouting about amnesty. The biggest opponent now of DREAM is Jeff Sessions, a KKK sympathizer and the living incarnation of the devil. ALIPAC is bragging that if they win on DREAM now, immigration reform will be dead for five or ten years.

Passing an amnesty in 1986, or having pushed for immigration reform in 2006/2007 means nothing right now, because Republicans deliberately stoke fear of Mexicans to win votes, as I mentioned in my original post. Come down to Georgia during the next election if you want to see that process play out. The campaign to win over the lowest common denominator, and they are successful.

Even Bush is guilty in this case: he deliberately sabotaged McCain's primary campaign in 2000 in the South, by making it sound as though McCain had produced an illegitimate child with a Black woman. I would call that pandering to racism in the South after the 1960s, but that is just me.

Re: Reality Check: High Fervor and Energy, but Slim Chance of Passing DA
 

Why won't you learn that this isn't your daddy's GOP? The GOP is slowly moving further to the right every election, the Teabaggers have them by their balls.

Re: Reality Check: High Fervor and Energy, but Slim Chance of Passing DA
 

Man if The dems had balls DA would've passed when they had 60.

The GOP and DEMS both suck.

Re: Reality Check: High Fervor and Energy, but Slim Chance of Passing DA
 

And that my friends is the unbiased truth.

Re: Reality Check: High Fervor and Energy, but Slim Chance of Passing DA
 

+1 on that.

Re: Reality Check: High Fervor and Energy, but Slim Chance of Passing DA
 

That's a little exaggerated, don't you think? Reagan's amnesty did not grant anybody immediate citizenship--far from it, anybody who got papers under that measure gained residency.

I don't doubt that the Democrats have a lackluster record on immigration reform; I and many others here have complained of their lack of action repeatedly. I also think that Obama's record-setting deportation numbers are troubling. But much of the bad--like the mass deportations--stem from Democrats' stupid attempts to conciliate the Republicans and meet them half way on fairy-tale criticisms like "securing the border" and other harsh measures that the Republican base likes immensely.

But if you are really concerned about advocacy to get the DREAM Act passed--and I am sure you are, and that you are not a troll, right?--then you would have to conclude that Republicans are not friends of the people on this portal. I would be the first to welcome any Republican support to pass DREAM or any other version of immigration reform, short of an enforcement-only approach. But if Republicans are really our friends, then where have they been since 2007? And explain to me how McCain--of all people!--is our friend when he himself exploited the xenophobia of this country right now to win reelection (going so far as to support Jan Brewer, who might as well just run for Grand Wizard during the next election and dispense with all the pretenses).

Like I said in my original post, what happened before 2007 doesn't matter to the politics of getting immigration reform passed now. And despite their many flaws, the Democrats are clearly lesser of two evils on immigration reform.