DACA options for Tuesday. via Axios - Page 5
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Originally Posted by Nycgal111
Kellyanne is going around saying that Americans will get jobs if DACA is ended and Steve Mumchkim pretty much saying the same thing.
Ending DACA is good for American workers. https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.was...a5b_story.html |
By the way how many of you are going to work on Tuesday??
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Originally Posted by Ghoster
Seems like the likely scenario will be:
Trump to end DACA. No new applicants. No renewals. Keep DACA status until they expire, but dreamers will have low priority for deportation even after their DACA status expires (aka. big heart"). No mass deportation. As DACA slowly dies, maybe something will be worked on, like BRIDGE act (3 years of legal 'DACA', non renewalable). It'll become a waiting game to see when something passes. A lot of people may lose their jobs and go back to work in the shadows, similar to the gap experienced by many from the recent renewal delays, but not all ~800k will become jobless. We'll still find a way to live our lives, just shitty and filled with fear. We'll still pay taxes, economy won't suffer as badly as predicted. |
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Oh it's a valid, and a good argument for sure. Very valid since the opposing argument is we are all on welfare and are taking money from US citizens.
Training replacements is also impactful to many businesses. Some of us fill special roles that aren't easy/cheap to replace. |
Another chunk graduated high school and are doing again menial jobs. They will be replaced.
Another chunk went to college, and are in good jobs (accounting, teaching, business, etc.) and yes, the absence would be felt but we will be easily replaced by thousands of people looking for jobs or new grads.
A very small fraction of us isin super high skilled work and/or are very hard to replace. That's not saying we're not talented, it's just a sheer numbers thing (plus the achievement/economic gaps that come with being minorities due to other factors).
I myself just started a PhD program that is fully funded. It's in the humanities, which is very competitive. Yes, I'm sure my department would be sad ( they have expressed their support), but there are many many many other people dying for an shot to be in a PhD program that is fully funded.
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Originally Posted by complicatedc33
I can actually see him ending DACA by saying those jobs are for Americans. His base would love it. However, he would face significant backlash. I really do hope that DACA d0es not become old news like the Arpaio pardon which has been forgotten. I can't trust this man
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Originally Posted by cmartinez
Yes, I agree that some people under DACA are hard to replace. I'm talking about scale here. There are 800,000 of us. Give or take. A chunk of that number are high school students working in fast food/menial labor. They can be replaced by other high school students or adults easily.
Another chunk graduated high school and are doing again menial jobs. They will be replaced. Another chunk went to college, and are in good jobs (accounting, teaching, business, etc.) and yes, the absence would be felt but we will be easily replaced by thousands of people looking for jobs or new grads. A very small fraction of us isin super high skilled work and/or are very hard to replace. That's not saying we're not talented, it's just a sheer numbers thing (plus the achievement/economic gaps that come with being minorities due to other factors). I myself just started a PhD program that is fully funded. It's in the humanities, which is very competitive. Yes, I'm sure my department would be sad ( they have expressed their support), but there are many many many other people dying for an shot to be in a PhD program that is fully funded. |
I also think a lot of people against DACA are arguing different things. There are those who want to end DACA because it's just an executive order from Obama, so it's not lawful as they see it, and they want to help Dreamers become legal the right way, by law. Then there are those who want to end DACA because they are against immigration and simply wants to deport all undocumented immigrants. It's a waste of time to argue with the second group because they don't see us as fellow human beings :\
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Originally Posted by dtrt09
Nativists who hate immigrants will never vote yes, so DreamAct needs to be put to a vote on its own.
On the other hand, look at this graph that shows the unemployment rate for those w high school or less education keeps *dropping* https://fred.stlouisfed.org/graph/fredgraph.png?g=eVZD |
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I can actually see him ending DACA by saying those jobs are for Americans. His base would love it. However, he would face significant backlash. I really do hope that DACA d0es not become old news like the Arpaio pardon which has been forgotten. I can't trust this man
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