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RANT: Hating Gays > Helping Family - Page 2

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#11
07-15-2008, 03:17 PM
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Seriously, I'm Christian, and I say that all those damn Christian preachers and busy bodies need to take a hike.

Man, all those radical, whiney Christians make me and my God look bad.
Like seriously, wtf? If you don't like gay marriage, then don't get one and shut the f&*% up! Same with Abortion. Unless you want to raise the child and put them through school; feed them; bathe them; you really ought to shut up and let a woman choose.

American is ridiculous to make Religion so important in a presidential campaign. QQ, Obama's church is anti-american, so he had to leave it for political reasons. Oh well.
We should really follow what Jefferson tried to do, which was to seperate church and state. The very fact that America is multi-cultural and diversial is the reason why we can't enforce laws simply on religion, since people have varying view points.
It's time to take the Bible out from under all of the statutes and bills that are written, and begin writing on behalf of people, and not on behalf of the God that you worship.

Oh, and the most dispicable thing I've heard about anti-immigration from a Christian was that they made them analagous to "Jews", citing that they had no where to go and this was God's trial for them. >_>

If Christians, and religious people were supposed to be so loving and understanding, why don't they start walking the walk, instead of talking the talk. Hypocrisy is what paves your path to hell.

And I bet someone will bitch about this post. But that only helps out my whole idea. If you have strong religious beliefs, keep them to yourself and shut up. Especially since most of us aren't even citizens. Lets learn to respect the 1st Amendment right to free speech.
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07-15-2008, 04:36 PM
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Just think about this though, it was the conservative latino and immigrant republican vote that won Florida for McCain and helped him secure California in the primary. If it wasn't for them, we would have Huckabee or Romney.

So don't get too mad at them.
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07-15-2008, 04:45 PM
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I don't see how Geronimo said anything disrespectful to you.

And let's stop the attacks on religion or religious beliefs. There's a lot of members on this forum that have strong religious beliefs and they shouldn't be attacked. Blame your family and friends for choosing something like opposing gay marriage instead of trying to help your family out; it's no one's fault but their own.
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07-15-2008, 05:08 PM
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I have a few citizen friends and family whom I've asked to vote for Barack. Some of them said they would, but a few outrightly said they won't simply because "Barack's gonna let the gays marry." WTF? They know that Barack would help my sisters and me with the passage of DA, but I guess hating gays is more important than helping family.

Just another way God is screwing us over...

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Maybe your friends/family do hate gays but maybe they're just not comfortable with homosexuality. However, their political beliefs are their own. One of the greatest freedoms of this country is the freedom of personal political thought. Regardless of what their personal beliefs are, their vote is their own. Expecting them to vote for a candidate based on how it would help you or your family or even dictating to them how they should vote is a subtle form of political persecution.

We criticize the Republicans for voting together against policies that are beneficial to us. How are we different if we expect all liberal politicians to band together and vote the same? These are the root causes of gridlock in Washington. No one seems to think for themselves anymore, just how their party is voting.

Encouraging people to vote their own way compels them to define their own political beliefs and for the most part, people will vote the right way. If we start forcing people to vote our way, then people won't exercise independent judgment, they'll just vote our way or the other way and be done with it. Everyone will just say, "Oh yeah, I voted for the Democrat" or "Oh yeah, I voted for the Republican" and be done with it. It'll be mindless automatons in the voting booth. In that case, it'll just be a battle of numbers, how many more mindless automatons can we get on our side.

Just be confident that the majority of voting Americans are good, decent people and that the Alitards are an extreme, fringe minority.

On a side note, I don't think why its necessary to be comfortable with homosexuality. Many people don't hate gays but are not comfortable with homosexuality and these people are ostracized by both polarities, especially the left.

I've been raised in a religious household and my ethical structure is defined through my religion. Consequently, I'm not comfortable with homosexuality but I don't denigrate gays or treat them as sub-humans. Yet I'm constantly criticized by my liberal friends who feel it is imperative to embrace or celebrate the gay culture, so as to not appear racist or homophobic.
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07-15-2008, 05:15 PM
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I don't see how Geronimo said anything disrespectful to you.
Yeah, that was out of line, I apologize.

I spoke with one of my friends again today about her stance on politics. She won't budge because she feels it is on her shoulders to uphold the sanctity of marriage.
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07-15-2008, 07:42 PM
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Yeah, that was out of line, I apologize.

I spoke with one of my friends again today about her stance on politics. She won't budge because she feels it is on her shoulders to uphold the sanctity of marriage.
HAHAHAHAHAHA.

I lol'd.


But srsly, marriage by church is what they should be worried about, not civil marriage, thats just for legal interests. So why care?
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07-16-2008, 01:07 AM
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I have a few citizen friends and family whom I've asked to vote for Barack. Some of them said they would, but a few outrightly said they won't simply because "Barack's gonna let the gays marry." WTF? They know that Barack would help my sisters and me with the passage of DA, but I guess hating gays is more important than helping family.

Just another way God is screwing us over...

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That's not God screwing you over. It's the opinions of those Christians who are basically one-issue voters. Even if I'm legal, I would vote for Obama because of his foreign policy, tax plans, and his ideas for improving the economy. A lot of Christians are voting for Obama, according to this one article I read online.

Let me repeat again: God is not screwing you over. It's SOME of the Christians you know that's screwing you over.

I could care less about gays being allowed to marry. If it's allowed, more power to the gay people. If not, tough luck. Work harder to get those politicians to pass those laws. As for abortions, it's those mothers who are killing the babies. Let them take it up with God later on. These two issues shouldn't be sole deciding factors on how people should vote. But hey, it's a democracy and people can vote for whoever the heck they want...
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Do we have any gay dreamies ?

now that they can get married in some states, could their spouses petition for them like regular straight couples ? or does it not work the same
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07-18-2008, 01:57 PM
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those who refuse to vote obama b/c he is pro-choice, and pro-gay marriage, they should not consider themselves christians
christian is a relationship with God, it's not a religion, when people starts making rules of whose saved whose God's child, that's when you let God down/
don't let those get in your mind, who are they to choose whether some goes to heaven and some are damned right?
they are full of it.
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07-18-2008, 05:48 PM
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All I know is God doesn't screw people over. If those people really cared about us they wouldn't even mind gay ppl getting married. It's stupid that they care, I mean it's not like gay people getting married is going to affect their lives. however, legalizing dreamies would affect their lives, in a positive way of course.
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