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01-05-2011, 01:15 AM
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Someone doesn't know the english language
You forgot to capitalize the word "English."
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Someone doesn't know the english language
You forgot to capitalize the word "English."
Owned.
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Sadly the word "illegal" can be found in the dictionary as in "illegal immigrant".

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Same crap. You would just be fudging/double speaking!
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Despite being a derogatory term, the phrase 'Illegal Immigrant' triggers defamation and anyone using the phrase should be sued for Libel.

Overstaying a Visa is NOT a criminal offense. Beyond the overstay, illegal presence within the borders of the United States is NOT a crime; it's a civil violation. That's according to the existing laws of the land.. For EWI individuals, the criminality of the 'act of uninspected entry' can be argued. But for over-stayers, there is no criminal act. Calling an individual "criminal" (which is what the term "illegal" essentially implies) while under the legal definition NO crime has been committed, is not right to say the least. A DUI offense is far more severe than a civil violation of the immigration law.


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I'd like to have a frank discussion about the term "illegal immigrant". I argued about the immigration issue (DREAM Act) on another forum that I was banned from because of my opinion and conclusions I had made about the DREAM Act. Does it make more sense to call the immigrants "Non-native immigrants", instead of "illegal immigrants"? I tried to explain that term on the site I was banned from, but they laughed at the phrase and still referred to them as illegals.

There is a website here that attempts to create a national outcry to drop usage of the I-word. I urge you all to visit this site, sign this petition and please express your views. Using the I-word is just as bad as calling someone "retarded" or some other word with a negative connotation to it.

http://colorlines.com/droptheiword/
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Despite being a derogatory term, the phrase 'Illegal Immigrant' triggers defamation and anyone using the phrase should be sued for Libel.

Overstaying a Visa is NOT a criminal offense. Beyond the overstay, illegal presence within the borders of the United States is NOT a crime; it's a civil violation. That's according to the existing laws of the land.. For EWI individuals, the criminality of the 'act of uninspected entry' can be argued. But for over-stayers, there is no criminal act. Calling an individual "criminal" (which is what the term "illegal" essentially implies) while under the legal definition NO crime has been committed, is not right to say the least. A DUI offense is far more severe than a civil violation of the immigration law.
Do you really think most of the legal population have the time to categorize each and every one of us? No. Therefor we are illegals.
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Despite being a derogatory term, the phrase 'Illegal Immigrant' triggers defamation and anyone using the phrase should be sued for Libel.

Overstaying a Visa is NOT a criminal offense. Beyond the overstay, illegal presence within the borders of the United States is NOT a crime; it's a civil violation. That's according to the existing laws of the land.. For EWI individuals, the criminality of the 'act of uninspected entry' can be argued. But for over-stayers, there is no criminal act. Calling an individual "criminal" (which is what the term "illegal" essentially implies) while under the legal definition NO crime has been committed, is not right to say the least. A DUI offense is far more severe than a civil violation of the immigration law.
Definition of illegal immigrant:
Definitions of Illegal Immigrant on the Web:

* Illegal immigration is the movement of people across national borders in a way that violates the immigration laws of the destination country. Illegal immigrants are also known as illegal aliens to differentiate them from legal aliens. ...
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Illegal_Immigrant

* someone who has entered a country by bypassing customs and immigration controls
en.wiktionary.org/wiki/illegal_immigrant

* A person who enters and lives in a country in violation of that country's laws.
http://www.wiley.com/college/geog/cu...s/glossary.htm

* A person who is not a legal citizen or national of the country in which he/she resides
www.sos.ky.gov/kids/civics/glossary.htm

This is a stupid argument that does nothing but incite the opposition to further hurt the cause of the Dream Act. Trespassing is not a civil case and now in very few places but California is illegal entry a Civil case. Why dont you go ask some African Americans about defamation definitions of there race I am sure they will straighten you out on how in the world you think you have been treated in a derogatory manner by the definition of illegal. Every day people start problems with the opposition that gets nothing but negative actions against there cause.
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Your parents may be illegal but infants and small children brought to this country can not and never will be illegal. Please explain what law they broke?
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I don't know what law exactly since I never asked them about it. I just know that my grandmother talked to me about it once. We were also talking about how the "undocumented immigrants" in New Jersey weren't able to get in-state tuition to be able to go to college. Based on the current policies that were in effect, they would be able to go to college, but at an out-of-state tuition rate. Also Tikva, my grandmother is no longer in the United States, she's back in Trinidad & Tobago.
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Also, I know this is an off-topic post, but I think you should all view this. This is the same site that made an article about me. They also made an article about GossipRocks. It seems like it was a waste of time to even bother signing up there, I don't know why I even did it, but it sure helped in getting me even more interested about immigration, and it's also how I found the DREAM Act portal site.

This is the ED article about GR: http://encyclopediadramatica.com/Gossiprocks

I'll no longer step foot in that place, since now I know what kinds of people I'm actually dealing with out there. Not everyone there is like that (how ED describes them) but the veteran posters are probably like that.
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