You know, I think I am against CIR - Page 6

How about you going get the job you got your masters for rather going back and work the same crappy job? Since you would be qualified to work why work at the same job? Move on Somone else would always take your place no matter what. hahaha ur funny though

I'm not saying that CIR people don't deserve their papers. As long as my family finds some way to legalize their status, it makes no difference to me if the reform gets passed as a whole.

What I am saying is that the 2 groups, i.e. the CIRers and Dreamers, are inherently different and the only thing that connects us is our status, or actually lack there of.

Let's face it, for every well-educated Dreamer, there are 10 CIRers who can barely speak English and never fully assimilated into the culture. Hell, even some of my relatives are an example of that, and most of them are US citizens already. Also, whether people want to admit it or not, a decent portion does consist of people who draw the biggest criticism for CIR: the single, uneducated, unskilled workers who do not pay taxes and the majority of whose wages gets sent back home to support their families. It is their choice but they also have to be responsible for their actions.

While our cause could be considered humanitarian for a lot of reasons, the CIR will be done out of purely economic and bureaucratic necessity. I have nothing against those people, and I would not want the Dream Act to be passed at their peril, but to blindly support CIR, because people seem to think that the 2 groups are somehow united in this fight, is completely ridiculous.

Don't have my masters working on it will have it in another 14 months my wife and I are counting the days. And I work a job that pays my bills and supports my family but now more than ever in this country every citizen knows there replaceable. If a company can find a younger person that they can pay less of a wage and are not building up more retirement benefit cost than as shown everyday your gone and replaced they dont give a dam about you its the money period. You don't go into to any large companies anymore and see many 50 years olds working or 60 year old workers they have all be shown the door. To make it even worse is there going to raise the retirement age to 70 to get social security so were are these people going to work for 20 years??? I am hoping by getting my masters when they decide its time to downsize me I can go teach at a HS or College to have some kind of security. I might even become fluent in Spanish so I can make myself more versatile here in Texas as a teacher. I mean even with a masters making good money in the corporate world you are not going to be able to have a family and save for retirement as well everyone needs to look at the future and make yourself marketable. I could of stayed in the Marines for another 16 years and retired at 40 with retirement pay but 4 years was enough for me. But there are waiting lines right now to get in the armed services and it is a good deal if you can put in 20 and you will get 2800 a month forever put that with social security one day and that is about 4200 a month. And that 2800 today in 20 years will be at least 3900.

There's more than that.

One family can be in both groups. DREAMers can be legalized by CIR. Both groups are composed of ethnic minorities. Both are generally composed of hard workers, ambitious people. While there probably is a small criminal element in both categories, neither will be eligible for legalization, and by and large both groups shun crime.

They have a lot in common, even though they are different. Both groups are in the exact same situation.

How can someone not be able to assimilate into the culture + not being able to pay the fine + plus not being able to pay the taxes they owe be considered a CIR? It's like saying the high school dropout is a dreamer...

The sooner dreamers realize that immigration reform hardly ever have anything to do with any humanitarian agenda then the inevitable reality will dawn on us all...we can bicker all we want about cir vs dream act and ewi vs visa overstayers till we are all blue in the face. But Dream act has not passed in ten yrs for one key reason, majority do not believe that we deserve legalization any more than any other undocumented group in the united states period.

They see adult visa overstayers as willingly breaking immigration laws. dreamers up to age 18 are considered innocent, But after becoming adults our parents bad judgment is behind us and we as adults are now the lawbreakers who willingly stay on. Every time the dream act fails it is Americans saying loud and clear we sympathize with you, we hope you guys are grateful enough to say thank you to the usa for the past few minor yrs of your life but now we need you to be responsible, do the right thing and make plans to get the hell out of our country.

Immigration reform is ultimately about national security amongst other things, they are not going to grant
1/3 of the undocumented population amnesty then have to go back through the same struggle to sort out the rest. Cir will happen because it has to be sorted out one way or another, when is the big question and will it benefit or be a disaster for us.

You must be going off of your own personal experience but contrary to what you have encountered statistics prove that "By and large, individuals who remain in the U.S. after their visas expire are more educated than those who cross the border illegally, in part because they must demonstrate proof of completing higher education, having a skilled job or being economically stable."

Mexico has some of the most stringent immigration laws of any country, I would use another example. Plus if there goverment don't get you then the cartels will kill you trying to come to America.

Wrong this country was founded by the uneducated who were looking for freedom and a better life. So saying education make you more of high standard does not float here. I mean there is no difference in the painter crossing the border to make 8 dollars an hour than a PHD coming across on a visa and breaking the law. Your describing a country like Britain were there are well to do educated people with bloodlines and there are commoners in the US we are all commonrs.

US law contradicts your own position. As does the economy.