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Unhealing injury and deciding to return to S. Korea for treatment? - Page 4

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#31
10-07-2011, 05:33 AM
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But the Seoul University is harder to get in than the Harvard, hence the description "Hard to get in, easy to get out".
I'm not saying that Seoul University is easy to get into. I'm just saying Berkeley/LA ranks higher than Seoul University regardless of the rigorous admissions. Why would you want to work harder to go to a lower ranking international school when you can put in the same amount of work and get into a higher ranked one more easily. Which is why I agreed with you and said OP should stay in America.

Of course this is from an international perspective. I'm not sure if Korean employers value SNU more than Berkeley/LA, but I think Berkeley/LA should have more international appeal than SNU. And I mean no offense.
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10-07-2011, 11:23 AM
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Why would you want to work harder to go to a lower ranking international school when you can put in the same amount of work and get into a higher ranked one more easily.
Because the OP has no choice if he were to return to Korea to save his life before graduation?

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Of course this is from an international perspective. I'm not sure if Korean employers value SNU more than Berkeley/LA
They do. The very fact that you went to that school is the proof that you rank within top 0.5% of applicants, no need to look at transcripts or anything else. The premium of US degrees faded away since early 2000s, as local graduates started to be fluent in foreign languages.(The only selling point of a foreign degree holder). The only US degrees that would command a premium is from the likes of Harvard, Yale, or Stanford or STEM degrees.

The fact that Korea doesn't recognize US high school or community college degree is the hint that their education system is much more rigorous than the US ones.

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I think Berkeley/LA should have more international appeal than SNU. And I mean no offense.
Korean employment system is very different from the US system, in that it tend to be stable and "life-time". You graduate from college, get your first job, and you will be working at least 20 years to until your retirement for the same employer. And most graduates will be working for local companies, so it doesn't matter what non-Korean corporations think of Korean university's degree; what matters is what Koreans corporations think of a job applicant's degree.
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10-07-2011, 04:33 PM
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Because the OP has no choice if he were to return to Korea to save his life before graduation?.
There is no way a person can transfer into a university when they've already completed 3 years of the 4 years schooling and are entering senior status, even in America. Because most universities want you to at least take 50%+ of the credits @ the school theyre graduating from because the school's name is on the diploma.

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They do. The very fact that you went to that school is the proof that you rank within top 0.5% of applicants, no need to look at transcripts or anything else.
Schools in China have the same exact rigorous admissions which have far less prestige than its counterpart schools in the US. In fact if I remember correctly many students choose to go to schools in the US because they have a far wider appeal internationally, and it was easier to get in.

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The premium of US degrees faded away since early 2000s, as local graduates started to be fluent in foreign languages.(The only selling point of a foreign degree holder). The only US degrees that would command a premium is from the likes of Harvard, Yale, or Stanford or STEM degrees.
I'm not sure where you're getting this info but any degree from a top 20 school from the US is pretty marketable. Unless you're talking about employment at Goldmans Sachs or Blackrock tiered companies. Also STEM degrees are not that impressive if they are from lower ranking schools. A stem degree at a lower ranking school does not equal a degree like business economics at UCLA or business administration from HAAS UCB.

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The fact that Korea doesn't recognize US high school or community college degree is the hint that their education system is much more rigorous than the US ones.
Not really, there aren't many jobs you can get with a high school degree even IN America because they're pretty damn easy to get. But I do agree that schooling in Asia is much more rigorous but not for the reason you mentioned.

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Korean employment system is very different from the US system, in that it tend to be stable and "life-time". You graduate from college, get your first job, and you will be working at least 20 years to until your retirement for the same employer. And most graduates will be working for local companies, so it doesn't matter what non-Korean corporations think of Korean university's degree; what matters is what Koreans corporations think of a job applicant's degree.
This is implying you get a job in Korea or plan to. But in terms of opportunity having a US degree gives you a wide variety of options in different countries . While a degree from SNU does not have the same international marketability which is fine as you pointed out, if you want a job in Korea.
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There is no way a person can transfer into a university when they've already completed 3 years of the 4 years schooling and are entering senior status, even in America.
The OP was in a serious health condition and might have had to return immediately to save his life. What good is a college degree when you are dead?

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Schools in China have the same exact rigorous admissions which have far less prestige than its counterpart schools in the US.
And that's what I was talking about when mentioning "Hard to get in, easy to get out".

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I'm not sure where you're getting this info but any degree from a top 20 school from the US is pretty marketable.
That's not what the job seekers and recruiters say on TV. You are a college graduate, and that's it.

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Also STEM degrees are not that impressive if they are from lower ranking schools.
80% of new Samsung employees are STEM degree holders, some of them from not very impressive schools.

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A stem degree at a lower ranking school does not equal a degree like business economics at UCLA or business administration from HAAS UCB.
It's the opposite. A STEM degree from any second-tier universities or better will get you a job at big name corporations, because they are manufacturers and need an army of engineers.

A UCLA business economics major has little chance of getting a job that those big corporations because they simply are not hiring business economic majors, or any of non-STEM liberal art majors. For that, they have Ivy-league MBAs for, and will even hire white American graduates.

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But in terms of opportunity having a US degree gives you a wide variety of options in different countries .
Korea is not one of it, unfortunately.

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While a degree from SNU does not have the same international marketability which is fine as you pointed out, if you want a job in Korea.
Which is what one would want. Moving jobs to jobs around the world isn't as appealing to certain group of people as it does to you, especially to people who are used to the idea of a life-time employment.
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10-07-2011, 09:50 PM
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80% of new Samsung employees are STEM degree holders, some of them from not very impressive schools.


It's the opposite. A STEM degree from any second-tier universities or better will get you a job at big name corporations, because they are manufacturers and need an army of engineers.

A UCLA business economics major has little chance of getting a job that those big corporations because they simply are not hiring business economic majors, or any of non-STEM liberal art majors. For that, they have Ivy-league MBAs for, and will even hire white American graduates.
This has been my experience. Corporate America (in the manufacturing industry) will hire an engineer from a C+ school w/an MBA over a big shot IVY leaguer w/just an MBA. Heck, if I was in a hiring position I'd do the same, you just can't compare the level of dedication that it takes.

A low ranking school STEM degree does not equal a high ranking MBA, it exceeds it. There's a few Economic degrees that may be up there with the maths, but it's few and far between.
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10-08-2011, 02:39 AM
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Well that's good to hear as an EECS major myself. But I also plan on having an econ degree...
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12-16-2011, 03:27 PM
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hey krnsurferdude,

are you still in the states or did you go back to korea??

im korean. i've asked a question here before about the 10 year banbefore because my mom told me that she knew some krn people who came back into this country (legally) after they overstayed their visas.
i don't know much about the details but you should ask your parents to look into it in korea.
also, if you're still here, i suggest looking into any medical organizations. there are some bound to help you out with the medical bills and treatments. my friend's mom (no green card, no insurance) was diagnosed with breast cancer a few months back but she reached out to an organization that took care of her treatments and bills. i'm pretty sure you will find some help for your condition too.
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