What if you haven't gotten your Diploma or GED yet? - Page 5

How many perfect dreamers are out there? Zero, because they're all illegal to began with. The Lou Dobbs crowd doesn't care about reputations, any dreamer no matter how perfect is a criminal in their eyes. Nobody can judge nobody, especially Dreamers jumping on one another.

I agree. If we can't be united, how can others see us? While I also don't agree with the route the woman took, she MIGHT qualify and deserves a fighting chance, just like any of us.

You said it yourself. Dreamers are illegal to begin with. But keep one thing in mind, just because we are illegal by the wrong doing of our parents. Are we supposed to act the same way criminal do? Is it an excuse for us to give up ourselves?

We are criminal in their eyes because some of us do dry up America's resources and commit crimes. But are we all on the same level? I doubt that. So cut your saint crap. Of course one can judge another, that's how society functions. Deviance is unacceptable no matters where you go. Keeping yourself grounded, so no one can call you a ungrateful criminal.

At the end of the day none of that saint dreamer crap matters, the extreme right doesn't care if you got a Ph.D or pray to god 7 days a week they just want to see you gone. I've never said that people shouldn't stay out of trouble, but should we never be given more than 1 chance to succeed? Isn't this what everyone on this site wants? A chance to be forgiven? Even though we didn't make the choice.

Interesting how you mentioned redemption after my reply. It sure sounds original. She had a chance before dropping out of high school, then a second chance after her first kid, then a third chance and I'm sure she was given a forth chance. So, how many chances are we actually talking about here? Because I'm sure that many dreamers and I weren't given that many chances. What makes her such a special free rider and above all of us, being able to claim a right that we fought for?

Everyone wants second chance to make things right, but not everyone deserves it. If you work for it and you failed, then you are entitled to a second chance. Otherwise, you are destined to fail anyway, so why bother to pretend that you are going to redeem yourself?

Thanks but i was looking for an official link to a memo from DHS or ICE.

http://www.dhs.gov/files/enforcement...riorities.shtm

I'm going to have to disagree with you there. We're not out to win the hearts and minds of the Lou Dobbs crowd. They are a lost cause. On the other hand, ordinary rational good hearted Americans do make a distinction between someone who was brought here by their relatives as a child. They are also able to tell the difference between someone who despite their limitations made the best of it and whether it's school or self teaching, didn't just sit around waiting to die.

On the other hand, the Lou Dobbs crowd will use every excuse and example of criminal undocumented immigrants as proof that we're all a bunch of criminals and they will make so much noise that the "good Americans" see nothing else and start to believe it as fact. That's the danger.

I am really enjoying this post. Just because it exposes the class divisions between dreamers. Let's face it, dreamers are all in the same place, but yet there are vast class differences, and we truly see them on this forum, so here's my little analysis of the classes of the dreamer nation, I mean no offense to everyone, it's just interesting that's all.

The Dreamer elite I would say are the STEM majors, these brilliant boys and girls who are majoring in some of the most challenging disciplines known at four year universities, and who master it and go on to get Bachelor and master's degrees and can then practically go anywhere they want in the world just because they can be an engineer or computer scientist or physicist.

Then closely behind are the liberal arts majors, who after finishing college also have somethings going on for them and have a college degree to their name.

Then there are those who failed to get into the four year school but at least they went to community college and are hustling to make the next leap, I guess you could call them the dreamer middle class. Then there are those who finished high school and could never make it to the next level. And at the bottom are those people like this girl who can't make it through and just truly become the greatest rejects of American society.

I think the next challenge of the dreamer movement is to stay united. There are such wide chasms in the movement now. You have some who with this work permit could become huge engineers and are def gonna get some work sponsorship and going to become legal, while others like this girl seem to not be heading to medical style salaries to say the least and then others like DA user who deserve the chance but still are left behind.

We need to stay united. If we can't, then this movement will die a slow death, because then only the dreamer elite will get the benefits and others will be left behind. Divide and conquer is the name of the game and it goes like this, skilled immigrants can stay, and unskilled immigrants are viewed in negative terms. But then this lends itself to the other question, should those not as fortunate as well be latched onto the achievements of the dreamer elite?

And I guess the silent question here nobody wants to ask is this "Should people like this girl even be given this protection?" I'm starting to notice a cold and almost frigid type of pretentiousness emerge in the discourse here on this forum, and it's starting to become scary. You can already see the fault lines among all dreamers.

I'll stop going all "We are the world" now on everybody, but those are just my reflections.

STEM to liberal arts? ouch, big leap!

lovely analysis though, you draw great points.