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There's no slowing down because the inflow of packets never stops, packets are assigned priority, and certain forms have to be adjudicated within a fixed time frame. Having your packet reviewed earlier because you walked in is a completely different issue--you are taking other people's spots, which I am OK with if it's permitted (I don't give a fuck, etc). USCIS guarantees to adjudicate your case within a certain time because they have done the projections and have the sufficient task force to do so--that's why they hired extra employees, so that DACA beneficiaries could have their EADs within 4-6 months.
They dont start reviewing our case (checking to see if we qualify) until after we have done our biometrics. When the biometrics is done is when they start actually combing through ur package and decide whether u qualify or not or if they need further evidence. Ur not taking another person's spot, ur moving ahead in the line.

For example if ur appointment is on the 30th, but u do it today then u are vacating ur appointment for the 30th and getting in with the 22nd ppl. This does not mean that u are taking someone's spot as they are still doing their appointments. It means u are cutting the line which means the people behind u may be affected.

I for one think at worst its a minimal delay, and will most likely affect people without an appointment yet. As innocent as cutting in line may be, it still affects others. I personally dont mind, cuz i didn't expect anything until next year, so the speed of the process has vastly exceeded my expectations. If im fine before December im going ape shit crazy. So do ur walk ins, ill wait my turn...i've waited this long already.
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They dont start reviewing our case (checking to see if we qualify) until after we have done our biometrics. When the biometrics is done is when they start actually combing through ur package and decide whether u qualify or not or if they need further evidence. Ur not taking another person's spot, ur moving ahead in the line.

For example if ur appointment is on the 30th, but u do it today then u are vacating ur appointment for the 30th and getting in with the 22nd ppl. This does not mean that u are taking someone's spot as they are still doing their appointments. It means u are cutting the line which means the people behind u may be affected.

Fuck all this, I'll be back in a week.

I for one think at worst its a minimal delay, and will most likely affect people without an appointment yet. As innocent as cutting in line may be, it still affects others. I personally dont mind, cuz i didn't expect anything until next year, so the speed of the process has vastly exceeded my expectations. If im fine before December im going ape shit crazy.
You are taking people's spots in the sense that most background checks are pretty straightforward and take about the same amount of time to perform, so by walking in earlier you are getting deferred action before they do. That's OP's argument, people getting their shit before he does. There's no slowing down like I have explained previously, you are just getting your shit before they do and it pisses them off.
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To be fair no thread like this has been started. There has been posts with this speculation, but not an entire thread.

Now as pointless as this thread is, and as useless as i believe the info provided is (its just a guess by him) i will play my usual role as the devil's advocate of these forums. If u think about it carefully, USCIS made their timetable and divided their workforce. Now if they expected to have X number of biometrics completed weekly, they would expect to have to go through X number of cases per week. However with the the flood of walk ins they have been having, they now have X(y) number of biometrics done that for week 1's schedule which was only expecting X number of biometrics.

Put it this way...lets day 50% of the scheduled appointments are being done early via walk ins that would drastically slow down the system. Maybe a math wiz can come in here and make a nice formula for me...i used to be a math wiz, but have been outta school for quite some time. I digress...

Week 1. They expect 100 biometrics results so they divide their workforce to tackle 100 packets. However, because 50% of the individuals scheduled for week 2 decided to do a walk in now they have 150 cases to review instead of 100 for week 1. Now remember they ONLY have the resources to tackle 100 applications.

Week 2. Now they have the 50 remaining from week one, plus the 50 that waited for their appointment in week 2, and at this point word begins to spread that walk ins may speed up ur application (perhaps even to the detriment of the person in front of u). Now u have perhaps an even greater percentage of individuals doing walk ins (say 70%). I dont know how accurate my math is, but u can clearly see how an influx can mess up the schedule and slow down the process.

Now this is just a guess, and i really dont think that's the case. However it's not a statement i can completely shun, because there is some common sense to it and it can hold up if u think about it logically.
According to your point, all the walk-ins are doing is taking advantage thanks to all the people who are not sending their apps. They supposedly prepared for 1.5 mill applicants and they have accepted 80k and numbers out there say 200K+ have been received.

Nobody is cheating the system, don't blame those who rather act and get their lifes together asap than just sit on their asses wishing dreams to come true.

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Bump for someone to confirm or deny my theory.
I'll confirm your theory. Depends how attractive and fit you are, and how good your grammar was. Oh! and add your GPA. Top o' the pile you go.

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WE DON'T KNOW!!! That's the only fact.
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They dont start reviewing our case (checking to see if we qualify) until after we have done our biometrics. When the biometrics is done is when they start actually combing through ur package and decide whether u qualify or not or if they need further evidence. Ur not taking another person's spot, ur moving ahead in the line.

For example if ur appointment is on the 30th, but u do it today then u are vacating ur appointment for the 30th and getting in with the 22nd ppl. This does not mean that u are taking someone's spot as they are still doing their appointments. It means u are cutting the line which means the people behind u may be affected.

I for one think at worst its a minimal delay, and will most likely affect people without an appointment yet. As innocent as cutting in line may be, it still affects others. I personally dont mind, cuz i didn't expect anything until next year, so the speed of the process has vastly exceeded my expectations. If im fine before December im going ape shit crazy. So do ur walk ins, ill wait my turn...i've waited this long already.
So how are the first walkin's taking anyone's spot. Correct me if I am wrong, but the Earliest Bio was for 9-11 or so, I walked in on 9-5, USCIS started to review my case, and approved on 9-11, so if the first dreamer to get their bio's on 9-11 and gets their case reviewed thereafter, how and when did any of the first walkins take anyone's spot when the non-walk in's case was not even ready for review.
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So how are the first walkin's taking anyone's spot. Correct me if I am wrong, but the Earliest Bio was for 9-11 or so, I walked in on 9-5, USCIS started to review my case, and approved on 9-11, so if the first dreamer to get their bio's on 9-11 and gets their case reviewed thereafter, how and when did any of the first walkins take anyone's spot when the non-walk in's case was not even ready for review.
^^^^^^^good point made. I think we should all get along and go about our lives in peace until we get our ead and 821's in the mail, Then you come talk about your thoughts on the time frame or why you skip who or whatever. . Analyzing the system and arguing does absolutely NOTHING to your case. There are background checks to be done, your name could match a most wanted person and that all takes time for them to clear you. Another persons name could be clean as a whistle and they get approved faster. They may have hired a lot more case workers but obviously not enough to get all of us our eads in 30 days like some of you want. Most of us have been waiting for a freakin green card for +10 yrs smh...take a chill pill.
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You are taking people's spots in the sense that most background checks are pretty straightforward and take about the same amount of time to perform, so by walking in earlier you are getting deferred action before they do. That's OP's argument, people getting their shit before he does. There's no slowing down like I have explained previously, you are just getting your shit before they do and it pisses them off.
Like i said i dont care who does a walk in or not. If the center was close to me i would would of considered doing one as well. However its a 51 minute 38 mile drive away from me (according to Google Maps) so i will wait until the 1st.

The point im trying to make is that even though the effects cannot be measured by us, im fairly certain that there are consequences (there are consequences for every action we make). To simplify my argument let for u....

1 - 2 - 3 - 4 - 5 - 6 - 7 - 8 - 9 are all appointment dates. To simplify everything lets say they do 1 biometric per day, so each day represents 1 person. Now the applications will be reviewed the same way (from 1-9). For arguments sake (to simplify it) they will only review 1 case per day. Now say u are day 8, but u do a walk in on day 2 while no one else does a walk in the list becomes... 1 - 2 - 8 - 3 - 4 - 5 - 6 - 7 - 9. Now ur case will be reviewed on day 2-3, meaning everyone u cut will have to wait 1 extra day.

So though u have moved up 6 spots in the line, everyone behind u (except 9 of course) will move down 1 spot. So the walk in benefited u, but it was at the detriment of the people who were in front of u by 1 spot (well except 1 and 2 of course...2 would naturally still be doing their appointment, cuz no one is giving away spots).
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At first i thought u were being a douche. Lol

At the end of the day if u qualify then u qualify and that's that. Also the people who already have their appointments scheduled wont be affected. This may delay those without an appointment however (assuming there is any kind of a setback happening).
^ this.

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That's not it. They actually have enough staff to handle 250,000 cases at a single given time. And I'm pretty sure there aren't over 250k cases submitted yet.
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well idk if this was replied but
every center does/process things differently so expect the unexpected, geesh 1 month and we are getting approved. It was said it would take 4-6m!
now what NotaPro said is quiet correct:
lets say no one walked in and they did 9-11 to 9-12 approvals
how many wouldve been approved? ummm maybe 2 or 3? very little number if you ask and the numbers wouldve reflect it.
now with the walks in, we have A LOT of approvals the number reflects it!
o yeah forgot: not everyone that applied is registered here for all we know they are getting approved
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So how are the first walkin's taking anyone's spot. Correct me if I am wrong, but the Earliest Bio was for 9-11 or so, I walked in on 9-5, USCIS started to review my case, and approved on 9-11, so if the first dreamer to get their bio's on 9-11 and gets their case reviewed thereafter, how and when did any of the first walkins take anyone's spot when the non-walk in's case was not even ready for review.
Obviously the first wouldn't be affected, but tell me how a walk in has NO adverse affect? It has a positive affect for them cuz they get through earlier, but it would have a negative one for the person who may have to wait longer. I also said u CANNOT gauge this, and that's why i said I DONT CARE. I was just arguing the point made by the OP, cuz everyone was too busy throwing shit at him to hear him out. If u are number one, obviously there is no one to skip. However if u are number 5000, then there are 4999 potential people to skip.

In other words if there are 5000 cases to be reviewed and im 1000, and 1500 people behind me does a walk in and get their biometrics done at an earlier date. Now im technically number 2500. Do u see my point? Im not talking about the first people, there were no delays then. There seems to be somewhat of a delay now that i keep seeing people cry about (i doubt it, but people have been talking about how its taking longer).

There is nothing to prove a delay, so im not entertaining it. However if there is a delay, i dont see how people walking in CANNOT have possibly caused it (as u seem to be implying).
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