Gays push to be included in immigration reform - Page 5

Like I said, I don't hate gays, one of my very good friends growing up was lesbian so I don't hate or dislike them at all, they're actually very cool people but at the same time, once the government recognizes gay marriage they will update USCIS to make gays petitionable for a GC as of right now how the hell could they do that when they don't even recognize the marriage?? It doesn't make sense lol

Trust me, gays will without a doubt get their turn, the old conservatives are dying off and the young generations are obviously very accepting of gay rights so its just a matter of time.. But right now it's time for immigration and if you add gays into it then the bill will fail 100% if this bill fails who knows when these nutjob republicans will agree to even discuss it? 10-20 years from now? That's too long there are too many damn family's at jepordy just because a couple thousand gays want to get married.

It's simply not worth it.

I'm poly-amorous, I demand polygamy to be legalized together with gay marriage. Both are marriage issues therefore they are by your logic the same issue.

Trust me, if you're demanding an amendment that will effectively destroy CIR (because sorry to break it to you but while republicans can possibly debate on and pass CIR, gay marriage is a massive no-go), you're pretty much no better than that asshole Sessions.

This is actually becoming a real issue. If you search for gay and immigration, you will see tons of relevant articles. This is for real guys -- we might need to have a civil war within the Left.

For our gay brothers and sisters... like us their clock is ticking as well. Some of them simply cannot afford to wait for DOMA's defeat. And even after DOMA's defeat, the road to legalization is not completely set in stone. So if they want to sink all of us in pursuit of that fraction of a chance - we'll have to accept it as human tendencies. Its the real world and everyone for themselves. That's cool. If I'm gay I'd fight for it too... for the reasons I stated.

But since I'm a selfish bastard and the damn republicans forced this civil war, I'll just have to play along and start writing letters to senator Leahy and key republican CIR supporters (like senator Rubio) to let them know that the majority of Dreamers who are straight are still waiting.

I really don't think McCain would allow the gay parts in the bill.. These guys aren't as dumb as people think they are, they know damn well this would kill the bill.. The only way it's going in is if they want the bill to die example they get far into it and want to abandon it so they put something ridiculous in it to make it fail

Is it fair that People came legally, were screwed by the system and/or lawyers who are US citizens?

My parents and family deserves to be ahead of you because they came here before you. If you do not benefit from reform because of your sexual orientation then that is not my parents' fault. If gay's are attempting to gain momentum by trying to backdoor (no pun intended) their way into another bill (immigration) then this shows people like me, who dont follow gay events at all, how much work you guys have left to do.

Turning immigration reform into a gay issue is completely the wrong way of looking at this. Immigration reform alone will be comprehensive. Now you might say "no its not, it doesnt include gays", well thats true for now. However once you guys fight for your own rights, and have the state /government recognizes gay marriage as just "marriage", then CIR will automatically apply to you if youre trying to adjust via marriage.

Simple solution: Allow CIR to pass as is which includes the term marriage. Continue fighting to legalize gay marriage which would eliminate the term gay marriage and just be called "marriage"...and then automatically become a beneficiary of CIR.

Saying you don't have a problem with gays, is just like saying you don't have a problem with blacks etc... Don't say it... show it. I have found that most people in my life who tell me they don't have a problem actually do.

As someone admitted above, leaving us out is selfish. Its not moral. Its not right. Replace gays with any other word and see if it sounds right. I support Immigration Reform except for Blacks, or except for Jews, or except for Latinos...

I do want to assure you that Immigration Reform will pass. And it will pass with UAFA attached. Republicans recently made a huge issue about the Violence Against Woman Act including protections for LGBT. But it did pass because the negative press about them stalling was too much.

What makes you so sure it'll pass?

if not handled well though the bill might lose some support on the left. Leahy is pretty influential.

Because the Republicans can't afford to not have it pass.

They don't want UAFA or the gay part included... but they don't really want amnesty either. They won't have a choice in the end.

And as I said before, there a lot of liberal gay allies working to make this pass. Check out HRC etc... Of course we want it to be comprehensive. That being said if push came to shove we would probably remove UAFA... but we will work to pass comprehensive at first. Because that is the right thing to do.

There is a huge voting block that is gay or concerned about gay rights, Senator Leahy and other realize this. And our partners/husbands/wives can vote right now. I just think we should all work together and not throw anybody under the bus just yet.

No,I believe S.744 simply cannot pass the 113th Congress with UAFA attached.It is very unlikely to get pass the Senate filibuster and would not be even considered in the Republican House.The likelihood of UAFA surviving also in conference is virtually nil.

VAWA has had very large Bi-partisan co-operation in the past and it has been renewed without issue over the years but last year was completely different.The House Republican members were actually objecting against the LGBT protections,U visa protections and the issue concerning using Federal courts for Tribal issues that is why it took so long.

The bottom-line is CIR hasn't ever passed the entire Congress like VAWA has and the idea that UAFA will somehow enhance the legislation morally is true,but garnering more votes for actual passage is absolutely false at this time.