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Replace gays with any other word and see if it sounds right. I support Immigration Reform except for Blacks, or except for Jews, or except for Latinos...
But the difference is that states dont have to pass laws allowing people to be "black", "jewish", "latino" etc... My point is that anyone who is gay and advocates for including "gay" in marriage based portions of CIR is jumping ahead of the battle. They are encroaching on a whole separate groups battle.

As i said before, if gays could first get same sex marriage to be universally legal (even if that means every single state legalizing same sex marriage) and recognizing marriage to include hetero+homo-sexual couples then they would automatically be eligible for CIR.
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But the difference is that states dont have to pass laws allowing people to be "black", "jewish", "latino" etc... My point is that anyone who is gay and advocates for including "gay" in marriage based portions of CIR is jumping ahead of the battle. They are encroaching on a whole separate groups battle.

As i said before, if gays could first get same sex marriage to be universally legal (even if that means every single state legalizing same sex marriage) and recognizing marriage to include hetero+homo-sexual couples then they would automatically be eligible for CIR.
Except that my marriage is legal and recognized in NY State. The second amendment that Leahy is offering basically states that for immigration purposes, DOMA is ignored. Personally I think the second amendment, and not UAFA will be attached to this bill.

And yes this could be all mute with the Supreme Court ruling sometime before the end of June. But there are no guarantees.

And this is not a separate battle. This is an immigration battle. I am not fighting to get married, or have anyone recognize that marriage beyond letting me and my husband live in the same country together legally.

Someone earlier in the thread mentioned a screw up by immigration (assumingly making them illegal) and wanting to stay with their family. I don't see how this is any different. And sure I could staying using existing provisions, but there are thousands of couples currently legal by visas etc... or living most of the year apart. Those who have no avenues for permanent residence.
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Except that my marriage is legal and recognized in NY State. The second amendment that Leahy is offering basically states that for immigration purposes, DOMA is ignored. Personally I think the second amendment, and not UAFA will be attached to this bill.

And yes this could be all mute with the Supreme Court ruling sometime before the end of June. But there are no guarantees.

And this is not a separate battle. This is an immigration battle. I am not fighting to get married, or have anyone recognize that marriage beyond letting me and my husband live in the same country together legally.

Someone earlier in the thread mentioned a screw up by immigration (assumingly making them illegal) and wanting to stay with their family. I don't see how this is any different. And sure I could staying using existing provisions, but there are thousands of couples currently legal by visas etc... or living most of the year apart. Those who have no avenues for permanent residence.
As I said before, I want polygamy legalized as a part of the gay rights amendment. Both are marriage issues therefore they are the same exact issue.

Hey, if the amendment doesn't pass (and I sure as hell hope it won't because then we lose McCain and few other republicans and we need a super-majority so there's pressure on Boehner and the house), you can legalize under the Dream Act path anyways. If you don't like it and explicitly want an IR6 green card you can sit around and stay illegal.
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As I said before, I want polygamy legalized as a part of the gay rights amendment. Both are marriage issues therefore they are the same exact issue.

Hey, if the amendment doesn't pass (and I sure as hell hope it won't because then we lose McCain and few other republicans and we need a super-majority so there's pressure on Boehner and the house), you can legalize under the Dream Act path anyways. If you don't like it and explicitly want an IR6 green card you can sit around and stay illegal.
Selfish and rude. Apparently you and your family means more than mine. And yes I will have a path to legalization, but as I stated before there are many that don't because they have followed the law, no matter how flawed.
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Selfish and rude. Apparently you and your family means more than mine. And yes I will have a path to legalization, but as I stated before there are many that don't because they have followed the law, no matter how flawed.
You keep missing the point. Its already an uphill battle trying to get votes for this to pass. No need to make it worse. Adding gay rights will kill the bill. Try to understand. We wont all get want we want in this bill.
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You keep missing the point. Its already an uphill battle trying to get votes for this to pass. No need to make it worse. Adding gay rights will kill the bill. Try to understand. We wont all get want we want in this bill.
And what exactly are you not getting from this bill? For sake of argument, removing the path to citizenship and just providing permanent residence would make it easier to pass as well.

I really don't see why we can't add this amendment, try to pass it, and then perhaps remove it. In fact it is very likely that the Senate pass the amended version, the House not and then the rectified version have it removed. And you need to try to understand big talk politics.

Because a lot of the talk here and elsewhere has been rather anti-gay. And rather selfish. It seems its more important that you get a green card and eventually citizenship rather than trying, atleast trying, to do the right thing. And you are not going to win support from those on the line if you appear both selfish and illegal. This isn't only a battle in congress, its also a battle for support from Americans. Because Americans calling congress will get this passed. As I mentioned, gay organization are working to get this passed regardless but they can't force followers to call congress. Most Latino immigration groups are for the gay amendment. Because together we can make it pass. And most of those Republicans who are against the gay part, are against the path to citizenship and other parts as well. So they will compromise, its just a matter of how much.
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And what exactly are you not getting from this bill? For sake of argument, removing the path to citizenship and just providing permanent residence would make it easier to pass as well.

I really don't see why we can't add this amendment, try to pass it, and then perhaps remove it. In fact it is very likely that the Senate pass the amended version, the House not and then the rectified version have it removed. And you need to try to understand big talk politics.

Because a lot of the talk here and elsewhere has been rather anti-gay. And rather selfish. It seems its more important that you get a green card and eventually citizenship rather than trying, atleast trying, to do the right thing. And you are not going to win support from those on the line if you appear both selfish and illegal. This isn't only a battle in congress, its also a battle for support from Americans. Because Americans calling congress will get this passed. As I mentioned, gay organization are working to get this passed regardless but they can't force followers to call congress. Most Latino immigration groups are for the gay amendment. Because together we can make it pass. And most of those Republicans who are against the gay part, are against the path to citizenship and other parts as well. So they will compromise, its just a matter of how much.
A lot of people have said some really mean things on here that are completely unnecessary and disgusting. Some people though do have a point, it is not selfish to leave out gay rights its selfish to include it. Think about it if we get CIR passed the Dreamers would be voting in the election following the next.. we would have a REAL voice and be able to fight for you. If we all stay without a voice were all screwed, some of us have to be helped before we can help the rest of us. It isn't that we don't care or want to put the issue aside but that the time has to be politically correct to not just fight and be defeated but to fight with authority and get things done.
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You keep missing the point. Its already an uphill battle trying to get votes for this to pass. No need to make it worse. Adding gay rights will kill the bill. Try to understand. We wont all get want we want in this bill.
I totally agree with you adding gay rights to the bill will kill it in the house. I'm gay but not married yet and I think they need to keep that out of the immigration bill. Hopefully they knock down DOMA and you can get your green card that way "NYGay"or get your green card threw CIR if it passes which I'm sure it will.
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I literally want to cry at the idiocy of some of these comments. Like seriously... who the fuck raised you guys?????? Did you go to school?!!?? I would expect this from old white republicans not a bunch of young illegal immigrants who know ALL ABOUT discrimination & about the struggle for equality. I hate this" every man for himself " attitude.

Just like us who have been waiting 20+ yrs to be legalized, there are people who have been waiting to be given basic rights. We're all in this shit together. This doesn't mean that I think the issues should be mixed, I understand this is a very difficult subject.
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I literally want to cry at the idiocy of some of these comments. Like seriously... who the fuck raised you guys?????? Did you go to school?!!?? I would expect this from old white republicans not a bunch of young illegal immigrants who know ALL ABOUT discrimination & about the struggle for equality. I hate this" every man for himself " attitude.

Just like us who have been waiting 20+ yrs to be legalized, there are people who have been waiting to be given basic rights. We're all in this shit together. This doesn't mean that I think the issues should be mixed, I understand this is a very difficult subject.
Can you please get your point across without foul language!!!! Don't use the I word, it's offensive, please use undocumented!!!
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