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kaptainslapaho · 09-30-2013, 03:04 AM

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Originally Posted by Happyman0607

That would defeat the purpose if I gave you experiences of my own because obamacare would make our health system like Canada's. And if you become a doctor you should be paid very well because medical school isn't cheap and it isn't easy, why would you want to be in school for years and years and 100s of thousands in debt when you'll make as much money as a bartender? It doesn't make sense. No one would want to be a doctor.

I believe the only reason you have such a socialist point of view is because you've never actually worked a job where you had to pay taxes, when you get paid a decent wage and then half of your check goes to taxes then you'll be singing a different tune.

I actually just had family come visit us 3 weeks ago from France and I was talking about his job, he's a head accountant and made $105,000 last year in France he told me he only took home about $50,000 but no big deal because his health care is free. Now tell me how much of that $50,000 are you going to be using every year on health? Shouldn't you only pay for what you want or need? Over 10 years he'll pay over $500,000 in taxes that'll be used to pay for some bums health care, if that's not socialism then idk what is. Point is, if you don't want health care then you should be forced to pay for it and that's what health care reform is, everyone pays for it regardless of what you think.

I pay my taxes and I'm already seeing the effect it's having, it's not good, it needs to go.

I beg to differ, my friends grandma needed hip surgery and was on a 6 month waiting list, yea not life threatening but you go walk around in excruciating pain for 6 months and rant about your free health care system.

and the first time he's really sick and has to use the hospital for real not just a check up. .you dont think he'll be happy? the way I see it is its just like you're paying up front for what you might need down the line. .

Happyman0607 · 09-30-2013, 09:10 AM

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Originally Posted by kaptainslapaho

and the first time he's really sick and has to use the hospital for real not just a check up. .you dont think he'll be happy? the way I see it is its just like you're paying up front for what you might need down the line. .

There's private insurance plans that literally cost dollars a month and depending on your medical needs you pick how much coverage you'd like to get. Why pay for something you're not going to use? It's extra money down the drain and everyone forced to get it when it's not necessary.

eRkah · 10-03-2013, 11:33 AM

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Originally Posted by Happyman0607

medical school isn't cheap and it isn't easy, why would you want to be in school for years and years and 100s of thousands in debt when you'll make as much money as a bartender?

And herein lies a different issue altogether! Why should someone who's smart enough to become a doctor, surgeon, medical researcher, etc, and provide an essential service to society, have to be on the verge of bankruptcy & "100s of thousands in debt" by the time they finish their education? Seems to me like Capitalism isn't such a great solution in this case, but i digress.

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Originally Posted by Happyman0607

..the worse part is you truly believe that you are somehow superior to others because I refuse to counter argue with your irrevelevant nonsense points

'Irrelevant and nonsense points' from your point of view, but that's relative isn't it? Because, you see, when you don't provide specifics in your own argument, your points become just as irrelevant. You can't present your points as facts if you don't provide the evidence behind it.

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Originally Posted by Happyman0607

Shouldn't you only pay for what you want or need? Over 10 years he'll pay over $500,000 in taxes that'll be used to pay for some bums health care, if that's not socialism then idk what is.

I pay my taxes and I'm already seeing the effect it's having, it's not good, it needs to go.

The point is preventive care. Because, as you know, most of us don't know when or how we'll get sick, and it's been proven even by insurance companies that preventive care reduces costs much more effectively than by treating symptoms once you're already sick.

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Don't worry about what I do, I work hard and deserve every bit of my money. Again, this is a capitalist society, I don't work to support someone who has a "shit job" why can't someone work and support me?

I don't mind paying taxes, if it wasn't for tax payers the roads wouldn't be paved. I do however mind giving up half my income in taxes though.

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Originally Posted by Happyman0607

Hahahah oh really? There's no way of knowing what will happen when businesses have to pay $14,000 a year to cover for each full time employee? Many studies done on the issue, I suggest you do a little reaserch pumpkin

What studies? Do you know what SHOP is? The truth is, 'Obamacare' is just going into effect, and the employer mandate isn't even going into effect for another year. So what are these 'many studies' you speak of? Because most of it, it's just speculation, good . and . bad.

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Originally Posted by Happyman0607

It's extra money down the drain and everyone forced to get it when it's not necessary.

This has peen proven, people don't know what is 'necessary' when it comes to their health. i.e, they wait until it's too late (& the cost of treatment much higher), especially if they think they can save by postponing check ups & regular visits to a doctor. That's only part of the reason why our healthcare costs are so high, too many people rely on ERs to get treated, because hey, it wasn't necessary before, right?

Happyman0607 · 10-03-2013, 11:35 AM

Erkha if you think I'm gonna read through your 10 paragraphs of nonsense, you must be out of your mind lol

Malign0n · 12:12 PM

I don't think my earlier point was clear enough. But The Affordable Care Act is not in any way socialist, it doesn't change our system.

Chyno · 10-31-2013, 01:37 AM

Negotiate with the financial services of the Hospital for lower cost. This is what an insurance company does. After you negotiate, make minimum payments $35 a month or so.

Pianoswithoutfaith · 10-31-2013, 06:09 AM

they charged you that, not because there are guidelines or something that tells them what to charged you but its what they feel like it. Remember, hospitals here are a business and thus you can negotiate with them. They KNOW people can't pay that much so they raise it as you would raise a sale on craiglist. and expect people to lowball it down to a more affordable bill.

Next time tell them you can't pay it all and if there is a way to make monthly payments and watch their financial department throw you a lot of different plans

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