The President Speach & a Q&A on CIR - Page 2

Originally Posted by dado123

Comments appreciated, but this is how the Senate passed w/out any Republican vote:

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Reid: Dems will use 50-vote tactic to finish healthcare in 60 days
http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefi...within-60-days
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why can CIR not be passed within same vain ?

Originally Posted by OrlandoDREAM Act

and that is lugar.

Originally Posted by dtrt09

Corrections for all of the above:
1-The Democrats have 58 *members* in the Senate ,as I'm sure ALL of you know by now, Sen. Byrd passed away.
2-Not all Democrats support CIR on its face and need to be cajoled by leadership to vote "yes".
3-Insurance reform (aka, "health" reform) was passed thru reconciliation. See trickery abounds in law-making if you're really, really interested in making it happen.

And this last point is why Obama says he needs a handful of Republican votes, not just the two needed to make 60, and is the reason he mentioned the "11" Republicans who voted "yes" in 2007.

Originally Posted by Bluestar

Well this is i think what happened in the case of health care reform ( correct if i am wrong ).

Senate passed their version of the bill with 60 votes. House also passed their version with majority votes.

Then the bills went to be merged and compromised. But Brown won the senate race. So they lost their 60 votes.

So they decided instead of combining the two bills ( from house and senate), house would pass the senate bill. They would need to re vote only if the original bills had
changed; bottom line, there effort concentrated to CIR is significantly less than that of Health care, regardless of which means used.

So House once more voted on health care reform ( The senate bill did not change, so they did not need to vote on it ).

However many people in the house side were unhappy with some of the stuff in the senate version. So they used the method you are referring to which is called Budget reconciliation to fix it.


To answer your question as why they can not do the same thing for CIR?
The Budget reconciliation only deals with budget issues. Budget reconciliation allows the budget related issues ( only budget) to be passed by the 51 ( 50+1) votes.

They can not use it to pass policies that are not related to budget.