I do not support this version of Immigration Reform - Page 6

Originally Posted by WaxOnWaxOFF

This bill is not fair, it is fundamentally racist. What it does is assume that most undocumented workers come from southern border and then propose a solution to deal with that problem. So 40% of illegal immigrants are visa overstays but 85% of the solutions to illegal immigration proposed in the bill deal with the southern border of the USA.

I mean they are stopping a millimeter short of shooting anyone that approaches the USA from the southern border. It is insane to think that what it takes to get votes on a matter that is at its core a humanitarian issue is to promise to keep everyone coming from the Southern border out. No one is discussing our northern neighbors at all. Maybe because they are not considered poor, uneducated and look the same as the politicians that run this place. And it helps that everyone thinks they speak English even though there are large French-speaking territories in Canada.

And no, undocumented workers pay all their taxes, most of us work twice as hard for half the pay to make this country as awesome at it is for all the USC that are trying to seal the southern border. All the downsides to illegal immigration are either unique situations or out right lies. We deserve better, we might not get better from them but it is necessary that we know that our collective sweat is worth more than second class citizenship.

Everyone has their reason for staying in this country. I do not agree with the notion that illegal immigration as had such a detrimental effect, economically or politically that it warrants building a 700 mile fence, hiring military, punishing hard working people for the better part of 2 decades by making prove that they are 'perfect' Americans, and just being plain disrespectful about the whole subject matter. That is not a measured response to a problem that has fueled your cheap food, grain, housing boom, manufacturing, labor system for 2 decades.

We have racists people/organizations masquerading as immigration opponents and no one is calling them out on it cause we all know that being illegal takes away their 'God given' rights. So sure, Ann Coulter, Bill O' Reilly, Lou, Tea partiers, say what ever you want and if you are not happy we'll just keep adding punishments to the bill. How does a 20 yr wait sound? Sounds fair for working hard, contributing and arising good God fearing children.

I am not an hero, I will not deprive my kids to make a point about this bill. I will teach them the difference between right and wrong. I will let them know the huge contributions that our community as made to this country and its citizens. I am in no way suggesting that anyone boycott this piece of legislation and not apply to prove a point. Apply and get your work permit but know that you deserve more than that. Its all I am saying.

I know the collective mindset seems to be 'be grateful you are getting anything at all'. I am grateful for the sacrifices that got me this far. Don't get that twisted. I am not upset, just disappointed. I really believed in this country but when it came time to step up and live by what they taught me, they failed. And it sucks that they did.

Originally Posted by WaxOnWaxOFF

Again I disagree. When they took over this piece of land, they made most of the arguments that you are telling me are not valid. When the civil war was fought, these same arguments were made and they resonated. People gave their lives all through the history of this country in favor of the arguments that you are discounting as entitled ranting.

Your arguments are the same ones they made to oppress minority, to deny women full rights. Its a mentality that says be thankful you are getting even this. Well, fine, but its not right for you to defend them though. They are in the wrong, when they were us, which was not too long ago, they died in opposition to the same laws you are telling me to just accept. 'No taxation without representation' etc.

So you are telling me that it is cool for them to accommodate themselves using arguments based on freedom and meritocracy but we better not touch those? Its crazy that the rules change once they are no longer the oppressed minority. All of a sudden, 'God given rights' turn to 'Government granted permission'. I am only making the arguments they have taught me to make. Based on what they profess to believe.

Fine, no other country in the world would be as accommodating of me as this country has but this country was meant to be different, it was meant to be a strict meritocracy. Man works, he/she is rewarded. This bill is a failure to live up to the lofty standards they like to believe this country was founded on.

I love this country not because of its name or it reputation but because of its ideals. And I think it is important to point out when it has failed, and not simply excuse by saying 'well, we came in illegally so its cool that they treat us like shit. In fact we sort of kind of deserve it'. If when they were getting treated like shit, the bent over and took it, I would agree. But they fought like heck to get some rights they thought they have earned and now just 200yrs later they don't recognize that they are being the oppressors. Economically, socially illegal immigration has earned the right just like they did. That is a valid argument in my view because every person in this country owes their freedom to that same argument.

Originally Posted by WaxOnWaxOFF

I usually do not respond to insults. But I assure you I am a real person, a real dreamer, a real thinker with a family that disagrees with this bill. I am a citizen whether I get deported tomorrow or die here. This country is my home that I have helped build.

Originally Posted by IamAman

Joined in June 2013... possible troll or perhaps a plant to try to get quotes from us agreeing with him so it can be used against us. Don't be surprised if Rush Limbaugh or Hannity start linking to this forum and saying "see, those ungrateful illegals are never happy! Even they're against this bill so why should be pass it?".

Originally Posted by WaxOnWaxOFF

Again I disagree. When they took over this piece of land, they made most of the arguments that you are telling me are not valid. When the civil war was fought, these same arguments were made and they resonated. People gave their lives all through the history of this country in favor of the arguments that you are discounting as entitled ranting.

Your arguments are the same ones they made to oppress minority, to deny women full rights. Its a mentality that says be thankful you are getting even this. Well, fine, but its not right for you to defend them though. They are in the wrong, when they were us, which was not too long ago, they died in opposition to the same laws you are telling me to just accept. 'No taxation without representation' etc.

So you are telling me that it is cool for them to accommodate themselves using arguments based on freedom and meritocracy but we better not touch those? Its crazy that the rules change once they are no longer the oppressed minority. All of a sudden, 'God given rights' turn to 'Government granted permission'. I am only making the arguments they have taught me to make. Based on what they profess to believe.

Fine, no other country in the world would be as accommodating of me as this country has but this country was meant to be different, it was meant to be a strict meritocracy. Man works, he/she is rewarded. This bill is a failure to live up to the lofty standards they like to believe this country was founded on.

I love this country not because of its name or it reputation but because of its ideals. And I think it is important to point out when it has failed, and not simply excuse by saying 'well, we came in illegally so its cool that they treat us like shit. In fact we sort of kind of deserve it'. If when they were getting treated like shit, the bent over and took it, I would agree. But they fought like heck to get some rights they thought they have earned and now just 200yrs later they don't recognize that they are being the oppressors. Economically, socially illegal immigration has earned the right just like they did. That is a valid argument in my view because every person in this country owes their freedom to that same argument.